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What type of knife does Bear use?
Thanks
Tim
I’m working on that one Tim. Its a knife that is made for scuba diving, its very light and has a plastic green handle. The blade is strong and easy to sharpen making it quick to put on a serviceable edge. Bear wears it strapped around his ankle, just above his boots. Check back, should have the definitive answer in a couple of days.
Thanks for your question.
Mark.
do you know what knife it is is now?
Kohl, I have left messages for the powers that know these things. And am patiently waiting to hear back for the exact make and model of his knife. Have a guess?
Bears knife is serrated on the top part of the blade. Anybody know why having a knife with a serrated blade is useful in survival?
The serrated edge is for sawing ropes or anything else
Serrated edges on knives can be real helpful for cutting. Like Raven says for rope, wire…for whittling snares, dead falls, and bow drill kits, I don’t like serrated edges at all. I have chanaged my mind on this, and won’t recommend serrate edges anymore. Though serrated edges can take a lot of abuse and come in many different styles. A serrated knife works nicely in the shop for stripping wire and such stuff. Serrated edges rate poorly in the field for a carvibg edge.
In Bears last episode he uses another knife that’s different from the first few episodes. Any guesses on what it is?
The Sierra Nevada episode is coming up this Friday, let me know if you see the type of knife he is using. Yes its a trick question.
He did not use a knife.
Good eye Tim.
No knife on the Sierra Nevada episode. I wonder how many folks picked up on that. Bear used a sharp chip of obsidian (Volcanic glass) to help skin the rabbit he ate. Otherwise he made do without the use of a knife for this episode showing that a person can survive without a knife in hand was awesome.
That’s what so fascinating about survival we have to use our minds, think creative to solve our problems. As my teacher Julia told me many many times, “you must think like Indian.”
Bear is using different knives on each episode. On the Sierra Nevada episode he did not use a knife, just a bit of obsidian for cutting. As far as I know Bear does not have a contract with any knife company to showcase their knives. He does use Gerber (Lmf11) knives sometimes, as well as a Swiss Army folding knife in the Alps episode.
I’m not big on folding knives for a survival tool. Read my article on the survival knife here on the Newsletter for valuable information about the type of survival knife you want to invest in.
Though with Bear using a variety of knives in the different survival scenario’s, one could gather some good information about how they hold up. I have put two beefy knives over the last year to the test. One a Bola, the other a Kukri, these are big knives not your average working knife. I trashed them both by using them just like I would any large working knife. Carving, chopping small trees and brush. Both of these knives were made by an American knife manufacturer. Can’t recommend the company that made these two knives though their customer service is great.
I am planning a trip to Moab UT in the spring of 07. We are going to do alot of mt. bike riding and I would like to get a fixed blade knife for my back pack. Can anyone point (no pun inteaded) in a right direction on a knife or knifemaker that makes a solid knife, with a REALLY good scabbar so I do not have to worry about getting stab when I fall.
Thanks much
Moose
Moosemembr,
Let me recommend a couple good knives to you:
Cold Steel Master Hunter – Available in high carbon (which is easy to sharpen, and works with various metal strike fire starters) or stainless steel ( which won’t rust/outdoors). Scabbards are fine. Excellent choice. Straight edge or half serrated… @$60
SOG Seal Pup – Madefor/used by US Navy seals. Half serrated, Saw back. Excellent scabbard. Tough survival knife….@$70
Thanks for the knife tips Rozakis. I have owned a SOG Bowie for over 10 years now, very happy with it but to heavy really for backpacking. The SOG Seal Pup looks to be a great knife as well, awesome scabbard. I don’t think you can go wrong with a SOG.
I like the look of the drop point knives as working survival knives and the blades really only need to be around 4” in length that’s what I recommend for my beginning students. Cold Steels, Master hunter looks to be a great knife. Lee, have you had an opportunity to run the Master Hunter through its paces? I would like to hear about it.
My personal feeling about a serrated edge on a knife are some what mixed. I really prefer a working knife without the serrated edge 90% of the time, but they can be handy around rope and copper wire. Or as I have said, the serrated edge is handy for notch making for your fire-boards.
Buck makes a drop point-model 692bk Vangaurd-R, little pricey at $80.00 but a nice knife all the same. Moosembr check out Gerber Freeman Hunter Fixed Blade at 4.10 ounces and a blade length of 3.25 inches is a nice blade for backpacking and a tough knife as well. Under $50.00
Don’t forget to carry a Swiss Army (Outdoor) multi – function knife with you, there tough and handy dandy!
A lot of old marines, and some new ones swear by Ka-Bar knives, they hold an edge very well and depending on where you look you can get them for a good price. I would check army surplus stores first. They were first used in WWII and the soldiers used them for everything from daily cutting and whittling to opening cans and ofcourse as a defensive or stealth weapon. In my mind, if it works for the military it works for me.
I am interested in the boots Bear wears. The boot/shoes he wore in the Sierra Nevada episode especially—they seemed to be lightweight boots and almost sneakers. I have had so much bad luck with boots!
As for knives you can’t go wrong with a KaBar! New they are still around $45 and you can find them on eBay regularly (new and used).
David, Bears wearing Merell boots I’m not able to help you with the model exactly, the sole are vibram, the lugs are a oblong pattern no doubt a climbing/trail light boot.
Bear has wide feet and a high arch like me, Merrel’s a company to seriously check out for your hikers. I wear a light New Balance running shoe not a bad fit for me, haven’t had the best luck with North Face.
Chris the assistant Director for the Sierra Nevada shoot swears by North Face. Chris recently retired from the British Military an RN, he finds himself all over the world involved in helping with natural disasters and has put them through the paces. My feet became very sore after intense and prolonged wear during the Sierra episode.
If you have narrow feet a company you might look at is Danner Boot.
I see we have some K-Bar fans. I have to agree that K-Bars are a tough knife, lightweight, take a tremendous amount of abuse and are a good knife for backpacking. A knife that is easy to sharpen in the field is a big plus as well.
I find them to light myself for most of the heavy applications I use. However I have never used one over a full season, so in fairness to K-Barr and the US military ( My Dad a Marine WWII) I’ll give one the Wienert Knife survival test and pass on my opinion.
Thanks Admin!
I too wear NB running shoes, but I have tried HiTec and Columbia for a pair of lightweight hikers. My HiTec killed my knees, the Columbia’s had a weird seam I could feel through the insole (pea-mattress). I always end up wearing my heavier just trusty Marine Corps jungles!! The American-made Altimas with the Vibram soles. I hiked Mt. Whitney in a pair of all-weather Merrill’s in 1998. They long since died and I can’t find a similar pair—thanks for the tip!
I think that man vs wild is the best program on tv right now. I enjoy getting the survival tips in every program. I have enjoyed every program the only thing that was’nt real was the mustang scenes, but I can over look that with all the tremendous survival info. I feel so much more prepared to go into the back country. Great show I cant wait each week for friday night.
Dear duce,
Bear will be thrilled to hear how much you enjoy Man vs Wild! The survival tips suggested are helpful. I would suggest, for safety’s sake, you take some survival classes to gain more vital information. The reason we were selected for consultation on the programs is due to our experience and knowledge of wilderness survival. The classes we offer would give you many of the skills and abilities Bear used.
If you will recall, Bear mentions in the Sierra shoot, the horses were most likely from a ranch. Historically it was rare to find mustangs in the Sierra MT range and any strays were typically eaten. However, for today’s adventurer the possibility of encountering escapees from a ranch or pack string is viable. Bear was given advice on techniques used to approach unfamiliar horses successfully. The horses used for the filming were mustangs captured from Nevada.
Thanks, Celeste
i’m always very curious about the “behind the scenes” and prep time on this show. i too, agree that it is the #1 show on TV right now, and also can not wait for friday nights each week. but i’d love to see an “unedited version”.
who else comes along?
how many camera men?
what do they have at their disposal?
is anything “staged”?
you say “the horses used for filming were mustangs captured from Nevada” in the sierra Nevada episode… that sounds pretty staged and not very “survival” to me.
and killing the rabbit by throwing a stick like that??? what’s the “behind the scenes” on that?
and on the african savanna, that was pretty amazing that he came across, basically, all of your wild animal choices for africa in one episode, totaling 3 days: elephant, rhino, hippo, lion, baboon, zebra kill, and was there a giraffe too?
how long and how does Bear prep for each episode?
i’m looking for a knife and some great climbing shoes, and the rest of this thread has helped immensely. thank you very much.
Thanks for the post Justin and I hear all the questions you have about the show. Were looking forward as well to this coming Friday night “Desert Island” episode I think you and Duce will both enjoy it.
When making shows such as Man Vs Wild, a lot of creative imagination goes into each episode which is exactly what you must have working for you in a real survival event.
Speaking for the Sierra episode, every survival skill that was shown on the show is the real stuff, including the dispatching of the rabbit with the throwing stick. Throwing sticks are very effective tools for the taking of small game.
The wild Mustang scene though improbable, is not unrealistic, the technique shown is how to approach a wild horse in such a way to develop trust without the buckaroo style galloping and roping that frightens and terrorizes a horse.
It is actually a technique used by the great plains and other horse tribes working with body movement and pressure points to relax the animal.
Celeste and I love the African Puff Adder, what a gorgeous snake! Hard to see in the bush makes it a formidable reptile, we teach you how in our nature awareness program. It was in its habitat as were all the other animals in the Kenya episode. Sure their are reserves that have all of the animals shown as well as many more. The bottom line here is the show is entertainment with some excellent information, vista’s, adventure, and fun to watch Bear go through his paces.
UrBen I agree, Bears Set up for his canteen is very handy. The Canteen itself is plastic but the metal holder is just the right size for boiling water, tea, and survival stew. Use it as a shovel as well I’m sure. Its British military issue I’ll try and find out for you. Maybe someone out there can give us a hand with this.
Thanks for your post UrBen
Hey, really like your site here. I am a huge fan of the Man vs. Wild show and Bear Grylls. I currently am having quite abit of difficulty finding a canteen like he uses. I just want to get a canteen that has a metal bowl attached to it (for boilng/cooking) and not concerned whether the canteen is plastic or other. Any ideas or info on where I can find this? The closest thing I’ve heard (but didn’t help me locate it) was it referred as a “British Issued Canteen”. Thanks for any info you can offer.
Respectfully,
Ben
Bear uses Merrell Boots called “Chameleon Wrap Stretch Gore-Tex XCR” they cost $130. He also uses a North Face Jacket called “M Mountain Light Jacket” which will run you $299. He seems to be a huge North Face Fan, most of his clothing from his pants, shirts, and jackets come from North Face. I still not sure though about his knives, I have noticed that he uses different types from folding to fixed blades. Does anyone know the exact brand he is using?
Anyways this show is AWESOME!!!! Bear is by far the coolest guy on TV. And this show is the most entertaining show on TV right now, I also like the Everest show before it.
Oh and he also wears Breitling watches like the Emergency watch this will cost you about $5000 and it is a awesome watch!
From some research I’ve identified the knives that he could be using as…
The folder knife is most likely a Cold Steel Voyager or Gerber Gator.
The fixed knife is most likely a SOG Seal Pup or Elite.
He also used a Wenger Serrated Mountaineer by Swiss Army in the Alps episode.
Also he could be using knives by Emerson, I thought of this because the SAS unit in the British Army use these knives.
Of course I can’t be completely sure, since you never get that great of a look, but this seems to be right.
The canteen is a British “58 pattern” NATO issue, also the metal cup is sold/issued seperately, called the “crusader cup canteen” make this the unit that Bear treks with. Check this site: bcbsurvivalusa.com
On the Desert Island episode, what plant does Bear use to poison the fish?
What is it like to baby sit bear? How does it feel to be part of such a hollywood production. Of course you will defend the credibility of the show,you are getting paid. Any one with any experience in the wilds knows it is a joke and let me just say you have lost my respect. you sold out standing up for that fraud of a fake production.pure entertainment. I can’t wait till you guys get sued for someone actually using the things learned from the show and gets in more trouble. p.s. I still really like the show.
I saw the episode tonight in which Bear is trapped on an island in the Pacific Ocean. What kind of knife (brand/model) does he use on this episode?
Great question James Jensen.
The common name for this plant – Tuba Plant. It is found throughout Polynesia and was used extensively/historically for stunning fish without stunning you.
Bear did a perfect application of rendering the chemical from the root into the water by pounding with the rock. A stout stick will work as well to bring the chemical out into the water. A pool where fish hide beneath overhanging rock, shallow water, and low tide makes this an awesome technique for gathering quick food. There is knowledge here one must respect.
I hate to admit how much of my evening was just spent researching Bear’s knife. I, too, am a wilderness/preparedness buff (Semper Paratus) and enjoy MvW every Friday. Heck, with a 5-month-old baby what else is there to do in the winter? Anyway, I was impressed with Bear’s use of the knife particularly for chopping trees by pounding the back of the blade into the wood. After looking at nearly every knife maker’s website and closely watching Bear as he cut up that fish, I’d guess he was carying the SOG Seal Pup or SP Elite. And, after all of that looking/shopping around, I am in love with that knife.
I am reminded, though, of the Boy Scout Motto: Be Prepared. Does it mater how sharp and fancy that knife you have is if it’s sitting at home on the mantle or in the gun cabinet when it matters? I am a firm believer in carrying a sharp, safe, reliable knife at all times, legally. Even if it is a Swiss Army Tinker…When it all goes to heck-in-a-hand-basket, you rarely have time to grocery shop your survival gear.
By the way, I’ll be asking for the SOG for Christmas next year:-).
Hikerdie & Johnny, Bears knife in this episode I believe is a knife made for skin diving, very sure its not a SOG. I haven’t been able to get an answer yet about the make of his knife when I do I’ll post it here. The technique bear used with the stick and knife combination to cut through larger material is an excellent skill to learn. I often use my throwing stick (Rabbit stick) for this purpose, a good knife will hold up to this type of work. When you try this technique do so with an easy hand, tap, tap, tap, get a feel for it its a great way to remove lots of wood quickly one of the reasons why I prefer a heavy fixed blade knife. On the Rocky MT. & Sierra Nevada episodes no knife was used. This is very cool stuff to me, knives are important tools in survival but if you find yourself without one you can get by using stone, wood, and bone. I butchered a deer using only a bone knife made from its front leg. (Cannon bone) It worked just fine, but I had to learn to use the bone differently than I would use a steel knife. Good luck next Christmas Hikerdie, hope you get what you want.
I’m pretty sure that the knife that Bear used on that episode was a diving knife called the Ocean Master Titanium Dive Knife. It wasn’t a SOG knife I ‘m pretty sure of that. Anyway the Ocean Master knife is a titanium knife that holds a sharp edge, but doesn’t rust or corrode. Try this link
http://scuba.about.com/cs/equipreviews/tp/titaniumknives.htm
I hope that helps.
My wife and I have our nightly shows that we watch … Survivor on Thursdays, CSI Miami on Monday, but on Friday nights, it’s Man vs Wild ! What a great show. I applaud the Discovery Chanel.
I too would like a definitive answer on the knife. In Costa Rica he looked to have two knives ??? On the Island, he had a diving knife of some sort.
To the gentleman who talked about Bear using all North Face gear, I distinctly remember seeing the Arcterx Logo on one of his jackets.
Yes to the Merrel boots.
How much does Bear make for doing this ? I’m not sure how much it would take to have me willingly jump into a frozen lake and tread water for more than a minute, then stumble back to my gear, get naked in the freezing winter and try to start a fire. BRRRRRRR !
Great show – our family’s favorite !!!
I must say – whether the show is staged or not – there are some awesome techniques and unique ideas shown that can be useful in many situations. I love the show – it appeals to every man I believe. I have introduced my Dad, Father-in-law, and brother to the show and they all love it! Even my kids love it! My wife (weak stomach) can’t handle it though…
My question is in the Alps episode he eats maggots – and I was wondering about him touching the obvious decaying flesh – and how does he keep from getting sick when touching stuff like that? I was always under the impression that if you fiddled with that stuff you’d get sick.
Also – are there any weekend type survival trips/guides on the East Coast you could recommend? I think I’ve got my Father-in-law ready to go!
Thanks!!! BEAR ROCKS!!
Mark, great name by the way, I highly recommend my good friend Richard Cleveland’s Earth School, check out his website at http://www.lovetheearth.com and tell him I sent you.
Having had been around rotting domestic animals growing up, I became fascinated by the maggots, the thousands of maggots crawling on and in the dead carcasses of cows and sheep. So many maggots in fact, the carcasses would heave up and down in slow motion created by the shear numbers of these small larvae. The smell is another story and I do regress.
In the Alps episode Bear made a point to show that he was eating deer flesh that was still fresh from the body while leaving the spoiled flesh alone. Our bodies are capable of ingesting various degrees of nasty smelling – tasting food. If you are not used to eating this type of well seasoned fare chances are your stomach would not want to hold it down. If you were having to eat such things by all means cook it if you can before eating that also helps to kill the fly eggs that are of course laid all over the dead animal. The maggots themselves are not a problem to eat, however I would loath for myself to munch one down, thank you very much.
Keeping clean when your camping or surviving is essential to maintaining your health and conserving energy. You do not want to mess around with anything that could potentially make you sick, this includes rotted flesh and suspect water.
Bear is awesome!!! I love the show!!! I had an interest in survival a while back and then it kind of died with time. But with Bear’s new show, its like a rebirth!!! I want to get a knife and canteen and go out into the wilderness to see if I can survive. Although Bear has a lot of knowledge about the area he is going into, i.e. plant species, fish species, etc. Once again the show is awesome!!!!
I too am interested in the knives he uses….if anyone knows for sure…please post.
I have watched several of the episodes. Whether 100% real or partially staged, it is still a zillion times better than “Survivor”, my wife’s favorite show. Watching the last “Survivor” series with her, she even agreed that the survival part of the show had become a joke, since it seemed they were always eating, especially with so many being allowed to take part in “rewards”, from 5-star resort cuisine, to down home “survivor auction” beer and burgers, pizza, etc.
I am not a survival expert, but I was a Boy Scout, backpacked through the Sangre de Cristo mountains (NM), and was a flight medic in the Air Force Reserve, attending Water Surival Training, was a Senior Member of Civil Air Patrol doing ground SAR, as well as later graduating from college as a Mechanical Engineer while participating in Army ROTC “Ranger”-type training unit. No, I am not a “Wannabe”. While interesting, and I have a lot of respect for the real Army Rangers, I DON’T “wanna be” one!
I have always had a interest in edged weapons and tools, so when I saw the closeup of Bear using the knife in the desert island episode, I took a few mental notes.
Someone said it was an Ocean Master Titanium dive knife, but what I remember about the knife’s features were very different from the photos I saw at the website posted. Firstly, the butt of Bear’s knife did have a metal projection, like on the OMT knive, but the OMT knife had a round projection, while Bear’s knife’s projection was rectangular and appeared to be the same thickness as the blade, so it was probably a projection of the tang past the handle. Also, the rubber handle on the OMT knife was squared off on the end, whereas Bear’s knife had a definite angle to the back edge (butt end) of the rubber.
For myself, I have used my trustee USAF Pilot Survival Knife for years. Mine is made by Camillus, but Ka-Bar, Ontario, and many others have made them under contract as well. The blade is only parkerized carbon steel, and easy to sharpen, but then, I don’t go into saltwater much. I keep the knife in its original (but well-oiled) leather sheath. There are probably better knives our there, but for the money it is hard to beat. The natural cowhide leather sheath has a metal tip, to keep the point from cutting through, a pocket for a sharpening stone (I replaced the original rough carborundum with a nice hard Arkansas at first, then moved up to an aluminum oxide surgical stone.) a real metal snap on the keeper, and belt slits as well as hole at both ends for tying on. Although, for camping purposes, I have found a pivoting hard black leather hunting knife sheath by Case to be very handy.
I also like the hammer butt, great for smashing things, like nutshells, etc. The saw teeth on the backside are probably not very effective, I never had much use for them, but I like the two holes on the guard for tying onto a stout stick for an effective defensive spear (not sure how good it would be for throwing, have to give that a try some time!)
I have a USMC Ka-Bar of the original WWII design which Ka-Bar reproduced in the 1980′s, complete with engineering drawing, but I like admiring its lines and design to much to want to “mess it up” by actually using it! I almost bought a used Ka-Bar off an old WWII Navy Sailor, who claimed he and some other combat swimmers used it to dig holes in the coral to plant explosives to blow holes for their landing craft to pass through the reef on one of the Pacific Island landings, but it was pretty badly beat up, and not GI to boot (purchased in a civilian shop and sent to him by relatives he said).
I am thinking of retiring my USAF PSK for something newer. I like reports I have heard about the Schrade Extreme Survival knife, supposedly a one-piece forged blade, wondering if the new production from China is comparable to the original New York Schrades. I guess I better look at that SOG Seal Pup which seems to be so highly recommended, too!
The Kershaw Military Boot knife looks interesting, too, but lacks any serrated edge, have a half-edge on the back instead. Its design is interesting because the guard and butt appear to be part of the same forging as the blade. Anyone know anything about this knife?
i spent about a month in alaska this last summer, and went back country camping in denali. that was the first time since boyscouts i had been backcountry camping, being in such an untouched part of the world and being on my own in nature, real man vs. wild stuff, really got me to want to do it more and more. so this show couldn’t have come at a more appropriate time for me. lately i started watching (and re-watching) these shows and they’re quite motivating. they really make you want to get out and go test your limits.
i got a new tent for christmas, and i’ve been getting together the other basics for my next trip, the show, and especially the people on the forum here have helped me. i got the following items after some research and looking around alot on the web for lowest prices
I have wide feet with high arches also, so i ordered the same merrell shoe as bear:
http://www.shoestoboot.com/moreinfo.cfm?Product_ID=2231
i got a sog seal pup elite knife:
http://www.savsonswordsandknives.com/sogsepupelti.html
i also wanted the canteen bear uses, so i got that, as well as the crusader cup and cooking unit, it all fits together real nice:
http://www.bcbsurvivalusa.com/xcart/home.php?cat=251
The enthusiasm on this string for Bear and Man Vs Wild is truly awesome. That makes all of us involved with the show very happy. Were really enjoying hearing from all of you folks. For those of you who are excited about heading out on your own or with a buddy to enjoy the wilds and practise survival skills I must urge you to -
BE SMART – BE SAFE – BE STRONG
Please read my articles here on the newsletter about survival and being outdoors, and sincerely consider getting proffresional survival training before attempting any extended stay in the wilds. As my good friend and teacher Tom Brown Jr, would say, “You can’t eat the whole deer in just one bite.” he’s right, take your time to learn. Savor the knowledge and respect nature, you will most likely come back – alive.
31 Dec 06 What is the knife?
All, great show, great comments – I think one of the knives he uses is the Kenitics UK Blue Tang titanium knife – at least based on looks. However I have some reservation about a titanium knife – it may hold an edge, but it will be difficult to put one on it. Whereas the seal pup looks like a better knife to put an edge on. But the seal pup does not have the serrations on top or the back of the knife. Anyway – I had not seen any mention of the blue tang and it looks like one of the many that he carries.
I just discovered the show and it is very entertaining. I’ve seen several of the episodes and like everyone else, I’d like to know more about the knives he uses. I wish the Discovery channel site for this show was better and contained the information about the products. I have several different kinds of knives and I think the one I’ve seen him use the most is a dive style because of the cutting groove at the base of the blade for cable/string/line. If you are interested in hand made knives and can afford one then look at Randall Made. I was lucky enough to inherit one and I have been impressed with the edge holding ability.
I love Man Vs. Wild. It’s probably my favorite show on T.V. I even enjoy watching reruns! The part i most look forward to is what kind of knife Bear is using. I’m no boyscout or survival expert but I love knives. Right now- seeing all the high remarks- I’m looking at the SOG Seal pup and Seal pup elite. To any one who knows, which would be the better buy and why….if no one does know, could someone point me in the right direction.
thanks. And by the way, this sight is amazing.
1) First of all, thanks Mike W for the links … much apreciated ! You can actually find that knife on Ebay for less. Don’t know about the shoes.
2) While reading the Sunday paper, my wife was just looking at this weeks shows and she informed me that this weeks show is a repeat. Even if it is, I’ll most likely watch it. But does anyone know how many different shows have been produced and do they plan on dong more?
3) I concur … the Discovry Chanel should have WAY more information concerning this show.
4) Yes – the show produces a greater urge to get out and try this. When I was 7, I got lost in the Alleghany National Forest for roughly 18 hours and spent the night on my own. I actually think my parents were more scared than I was. Ever since that night, I’ve thrived for knowledge on survival, gear, techniques, stories, and situations.
I’m glad that Man vs Wild fulfills many of those needs and this site helps as well.
I think that Ocean Master looks real close bladewise, but the handle doesn’t look right. I’m real interested in what knife it is he’s using – I have used the SOG Seal Pup and think that its a great knife, but no top serrations – so it can’t be it. Someone mentioned the Cold Steel voyager – I haven’t seen him use that – although I carried the 4″ tanto combo edge while I was in the Army for a few years and had a lot of luck with it. I think I saw him using a Gerber Gator in one episode, which I’ve also used, and didn’t think too much of. I’ve got a Camillus (ka-bar style) knife that I really like as well – but – I hope you all figure out what that fixed blade knife that Bear uses is, because I’m gonna get one!
I just finally saw the Sierra MvW, and I have to say it probably should have represented itself as an instructional piece instead of saying it was some kind of single outing adventure. I did learn a few new tidbits and it was very entertaining. On the other hand, not all of the advice was complete or totally accurate. Here are a few examples.
1) First there was the assertion that it was no good heading east because of the California/Nevada desert. This is misleading because the entire length of the Sierra is backed on the east side by heavily traveled highway 385, just a few miles from the Sierra Crest. It is actually the closest way out if you are on or near the crest. More correct would to be to say there may not be a safe pass to use nearby and the crest can be very sheer and hazardous, and the southern-most or northern most sections of the Sierra have ‘crest’ areas somewhat far from 395. That being said, there are large numbers of trailed passes in the Sierra, depending on the location of the ‘lost’ individual.
2) There are very few untrailed sections of the Sierra. If you are on or near the Sierra Crest, then you are defacto near the Pacific Crest Trail (which runs the length of the Sierra), so anybody lost near the Sierra Crest should look for the trail, and in the process will find it or any number of other trails in the area. I believe Bear himself says something like, ‘follow a trail to track, follow that to a road and follow that out’. There are trails everywhere throughout the Sierra.
3) I have been within a stones throw of just about everyplace in the Sierra (and experienced all weather conditions), but did not recognize his starting point, but I would have to say west of the crest, there are few places you would be forced to navigate steep granite in drainages: there is always some safe way down. Again, I have to believe Bear was giving general advice for when someone is actually stuck in a situation where steep rock is the only way down (it could happen). I did see a picture of Banner Peak over what I think was Jackass Rock in the San Joaquin drainage in the MvW Sierra show (not to mention Shuteye Peak), so I assume that was where this episode was shot (and there are trails everywhere there). I know for a fact that all of the lakes in that area are accessible and not guarded by steep rock: sure, if the starting point was near Kaiser Peak, it is pretty steep getting to the San Joaquin river, but on the other hand you would have to cross two roads and a trail to get there, and anyway, on the other side of the mountain is a major settled area. Again, I would have to believe Bear is giving general advice that would apply to more lonely sections of the Sierra (mainly in the far north and south ends of the Sierra), and not representing an actual survival trek in the Sierra.
4) In North American high country, I think it is a very bad idea to get wet, and it should be avoided. Additionally, I would frown on surfing any river, particularly in the Sierra where a placid stretch can turn into rapids that can batter you to death in seconds. The number one way to die in the Sierra is to drown, followed by hypothermia. Log-rafting a river may make good TV, but it is bad advice. Find a dry way over rivers, and go around lakes.
FYI, if Bear was surfing the San Joaquin River (which has a good number of trail bridges), there are many steep cascades and waterfalls: All the more reason to avoid makeshift boat travel. If this was general advice, it was bad advice.
5) Giardia: I think Bear again was giving general advice. To be on the safe side, boil water if you have the time and energy. In the highest altitudes away from cattle and most humans, the water is safe. I only filter in lower altitudes and high use areas and generally trust water where I am sure of the source. All of the back-county Rangers I know drinks unfiltered un-boiled water when they are sure of the source. Giardia is the new backcountry bogyman, but those experienced in the Sierra know when and where to drink the water. Giardia is just not as prevalent as some think or say.
I think the final word here is that in most places in the Sierra you are but a stones throw (or short hike) from a trail or road, something I think Bear learned right away while he was visiting the Sierra. One would have to be both totally clueless about what is in the Sierra and very survival experienced to do a trip the way Bear did it. And even then he should have crossed a trail long before he ever reached the lowlands and that lake. That is the Sierra reality.
In the above post Mr. Doyle W. Donehoo is voicing many opinions that I do not agree with and would never teach in my courses.
This is my response to Doyle W. Donehoo post.
D.D says: 1) First there was the assertion that it was no good heading east because of the California/Nevada desert. This is misleading because the entire length of the Sierra is backed on the east side by heavily traveled highway 385, just a few miles from the Sierra Crest. It is actually the closest way out if you are on or near the crest. More correct would to be to say there may not be a safe pass to use nearby and the crest can be very sheer and hazardous, and the southern-most or northern most sections of the Sierra have ‘crest’ areas somewhat far from 395. That being said, there are large numbers of trailed passes in the Sierra, depending on the location of the ‘lost’ individual
Admin response: Trail hiking and cross country travel are two different scenarios. It would be very presumptuous to assume all trails will lead you out of your situation.
As was the case with a man hunting in the Sierras who followed a trail that disappeared and ended up unable to continue down a steep river canyon or return the way he had traversed. Fortunately he was rescued, but not before spending several very freezing cold days and nights.
Another case I was called in on, involved a couple who stopped to relieve themselves while traveling Glacier Point road in Yosemite National Park. The man returned to the vehicle after relieving himself. The woman, only 50 yards from the road, managed to become disoriented and panicked crossing several main hiking trails before being located several months later drowned in Bridal Veil creek.
D. D. says: 2) There are very few untrailed sections of the Sierra. If you are on or near the Sierra Crest, then you are defacto near the Pacific Crest Trail (which runs the length of the Sierra), so anybody lost near the Sierra Crest should look for the trail, and in the process will find it or any number of other trails in the area. I believe Bear himself says something like, ‘follow a trail to track, follow that to a road and follow that out’. There are trails everywhere throughout the Sierra
Admin response: Well traveled game trails can look like hiking trails and many times cross groomed trails as in the case of the Pacific Crest trail. There are areas on the Pacific Crest trail that can be confusing and often times very difficult to discern, i.e. traversing rocky areas which are numerous. You cannot depend on a trail being well marked. Slides, downed timber etc. cause trails to become difficult to identify.
One case in point is the Kalmiopsis Wilderness shortly after the Biscuit Fire. My partner and her crew members were a few of the first to backpack into the area after the fire. Trail markers had been burned and in many cases the trail was not identifiable. During this time a crew member leading was unable to determine which direction the trail went. It was only due to my partner’s knowledge with the terrain and area that she was able to locate it. The burned timber and root systems made the trail even more hazardous.
D. D. says: 5) Giardia: I think Bear again was giving general advice. To be on the safe side, boil water if you have the time and energy. In the highest altitudes away from cattle and most humans, the water is safe. I only filter in lower altitudes and high use areas and generally trust water where I am sure of the source. All of the back-county Rangers I know drinks unfiltered un-boiled water when they are sure of the source. Giardia is the new backcountry bogyman, but those experienced in the Sierra know when and where to drink the water. Giardia is just not as prevalent as some think or say.
Admin response: Giardia and other water borne diseases are very harmful and I would not advise anyone to drink from any unknown water source without filtering. A person of my acquaintance was working in a remote region on a water course. Washing his hands after eating an orange he contracted Giardia. At the onset he weighed 165 lbs and after 6 months and two rounds of antibiotics he weighed 120 lbs. This individual is part of the ski patrol and search and rescue. At 12,000 feet in the Beartooth Mountain range in Montana, a friend, while snowmobiling, drank from an open area on a creek and contracted Giardia. At a strapping 195 lbs he became seriously emaciated at 132 lbs, after struggling for a year to overcome the parasite.
My sister and her daughter became infected with the parasite and after overcoming the initial symptoms, they were plagued with reoccurring symptoms for two years.
Contracting Giardia while lost in the wilderness will cause serious dehydration and seriously complicate attempts to hike out. Other water borne illnesses range from salmonella, E-coli and meningitis to mention a few. You could be, unknowingly, drinking downstream of an animal carcass. I repeat it is not advisable to drink untreated/unfiltered water.
It would be prudent to remember that TV is ultimately entertainment and does not supersede wilderness survival training with a professional instructor.
First off, I love the MvW show. As I read this thread I see there are alot of fans and some dissenters. Listen, the show is not a step-by-step tutorial of everything you should do, it is a synopsis, an overview of a journey he takes. It is also “supposed to be” entertaining, which it is. I personally think it is the perfect combination of both. I think people are way too critical, and it is easy to do from your armchair. I appreciate Bear for what he brings to the show, and I appreciate the collabrative effort between experts like Mark, others, and Bear. If you enjoy the show, great….I think it only encourages the love of the outdoors, but reminds you to be cautious, prepared and ready just in case. If you are here to only tear it down, then don’t watch it, or atleast understand the show for what it is…..an entertaining and informative show about survival, not an all encompassing survival course. If that’s what you want, email Mark for more info. Keep up the good work Mark and Bear!
Thanks for your insight DJK.
Wow. I am glad that there are others who appreciate Bear’s show as much as I do. In my younger days I did quite a bit of “survival camping”
in the Altamaha river basin in Georgia. Been lost more than a few times. As a former Army officer, most of my equipment was military. In that environment, a machete, kukri, or large camp knife seems to work well. It was interesting to see Bear use a small knife to chop down a tree by beating on the back of the blade with a stick. Whatever his knife is, it is surely tough. There is no way I could ever do some of the things he does.
I used to think I was pretty good as a survivalist. Bear is in a whole different league.
I love your show and I look forward to watching it every friday night. I agree with everyone that it is the best show out there right now. I am looking for a survival knife with a serrerated edge and under $80. Do you have any suggestions?
Good luck with your show.
Thanks
For starters, MvW is definitely my favourite show currently on television. As I have been reading up on Mr. Grylls and his various exploits, I have noticed there are quite a few people out there who label him as a fraud (probably one of the nicer ones I ran across!) and question his methods. Of course, these are “expert” outdoorsmen who never venture from their recliner without a GPS, sat phone, matches/flint/firestarter, case of energy bars, and complete topographical maps of the entire earth. Uh huh.
The point so many seem to miss on MvW, is that the show is as much about survival as it is a travelogue. Granted, things may be edited to preserve continuity or make the show slightly more entertaining. That’s all part of television. No one would make a conscious decision to wander off into the wilderness with no equipment. The whole point is to provide some useful tips, “arcane tricks,” if you will, that the avid outdoorsman can add to their survival tool kit, as well as making for entertaining television. Mr. Grylls and the entire production and consulting crews have done this, creating one of the most watchable television shows I have come across in years. If you don’t like it, don’t watch it. Kudos to everyone involved in MvW, and I hope this show will be around for many more seasons.
Stay safe, stay strong, and most importantly, stay ALIVE.
While I find the show very entertaining, at points it is too entertaining. Bear seems to have no problem getting soaking wet in cold mountain environments. In fact whenever faced with taking “the long way round” he opts to go into ice cold waters with cotton clothes and no change. While he may be able to tough it out it is unrealistic for the average person and dangerous advice (the excuse “this is what you would do if a grizzly bear is chasing you” is pretty flimsy, if a grizzly bear is chasing you your not going through your mental dvr of ‘Man vs Wild’). I know this is entertainment and am still enjoy the shows and am by no means a survival guru. A show i really enjoy is Survivor Man with Les Stroud. It’s definitely less high octane but since he doesn’t have a camera crew to bail him out and it is 7 days straight by himself I’m willing to let it slide. (Of course my girlfriend will actually sit through Man vs Wild, oddly enough the shirtless/pantless scenes have her rapt attention
) I’m also curious as to the knife he uses in the desert island episode, the one he uses as an axe by banging a rock on it.
P.S. speaking of the ‘long way round’ if you haven’t seen this, you owe it to yourself to watch this anyway possible, buy it, rent it , borrow it, ummm download it. Just be prepared to really want a motorcyle. Without a doubt one the great adventure series that was on T.V.
After re-reading my last post I want to clarify that a) I’m not dumping on Bear and b)6th graders make less grammatical mistakes when posting to the internet than me. What make Gryll’s show entertaining is the crazy stunts. Or more correctly the acts of daring that look like hollywood stunts. Survivorman and Man vs Wild are meant to be completely different shows. After all you don’t need two shows on the same network that are well, the same. Just expressing my reservations that some of the “advice” is extreme. But then it’s a lot easier to express reservations via the laptop while sitting on my couch watching the travel channel than say catch fish with my bare hands and a stick and then eat it raw.
Dear Dubious,
grammatical error’s are the right of every US citizen.
There is a learning curve one must survive in any outdoor extreme activity. Bear has survived one when he broke his back in his early adult years. The stunts that Bear performs for us each Friday night for our entertainment are real risks to Bear, his crew, or anyone else who may wish to duplicate an extreme.
To survive extreme adventure one must train constantly, have tremendous confidence in one’s own personal ability, know your stuff, and most importantly, respect for what you cannot control with the smarts to know when to back off.
You don’t have to go through the extremes Bear shows us to have an incredible rewarding outdoor adventure.
All outdoor sports carry some degree of risk; and for many of us the risk is the sweet spice of life.
What I mean is…to survive a great adventure means you get to savor the experience while alive. Alive being my preferred method of enjoying an accomplishment. To live is to risk, survival is not a passive experience!
Ranger 15 said: “I am looking for a survival knife with a serrated edge and under $80. Do you have any suggestions?”
Ranger 15, I reccomend you read more of the posts here, there are many excellent recommendations for working knives.
Let me know what you decide to purchase and how you like it.
I’m thinking about buying a knife and I believe that I have narrowed it down to two knives, the SOG Seal pup elite and the Gerber LMF II. Does anyone have any ideas on which one is better. Thanks
Matt: I haven’t used the Gerber LMF II, but I have used the SOG Seal Pup (not the elite, just the regular), and think that its an excellent knife. A buddy of mine carried it in the Army (I had a Camillus 7″ Ka-bar style blade and a 4″ Cold Steel voyager tanto, both great knives, but I used his SOG a few times and was pretty envious). Again, I’ve never used that Gerber, but I’d place that SOG above the 3 other Gerber brand knives that I’ve owned, hands down.
I’m in the same boat as Matt as far as what knives I’m thinking about. I really don’t know if i should get the Seal pup elite or not though. I don’t know the advantages of the ridges on the back… if someone could inform me I would really appreciate the help. Thanks
Why am I now buying up survival gear on ebay and other sites….. oiiiiii I’m addicted. My wife’s grandfather has a remote cabin in the wilderness that no one lives in, and I am planning a trip for her so that I can have a weekend alone. I need to eat a snake and hike. haha
Admin – can you recommend a good book on survival techniques I can purchase? Thanks.
benM3218,
I would start with Tom Brown Jr’s field guides, all of them. Check here at Tom Elpel’s site as well for more great books on survival. http://www.hollowtop.com
I’ve been watching a clip on Discovery – I’m definately seeing him use a Gerber Gator lockback when cutting up the Zebra – I’m still looking at the diveknife – its not the Ocean Master or the Kinetics – I can’t seem to find anything like it. It has the flat metal pommel, and a pretty large platic hilt. I’m looking some more though… about a 5 inch blade? Green in color. Check out this link: http://dsc.discovery.com/beyond/index.html?playerId=203711706&categoryId=318358451&lineupId=325389581
In the Costa Rica Episode, Bear’s fixed blade knife appears to be a type of scuba knife, as it has a serated back edge and a hook as well. I cannot find out who makes it however. I will post pics soon.
In the Moab episode, Bear uses a folding knife to cut the trumpet flower he used for a straw. It is not like any of the current production SOG’s, though they look like great knives. This is apparent by the indention in the blade. His knife also has a serated edge, thumb lock, and angled back end. see:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/29223080@N00/343022004/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/29223080@N00/343022002/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/29223080@N00/344151649/
Thanks to Josh Mike W for the links to the NATO canteen. Its really cool.
Matt:
You can’t go wrong with any of the SOG seal knives. I really like the revolver that has a saw blade in the handle. It really works! Of course, any knife is better than no knife. I am sure the new Gerber LMF II is very good. It was developed over a two year period with the US Army.
From what I have seen on the show, Bear could do better with a butter knife than I could with a chainsaw.
Anyone know Bear uses to attach his cup/canteen? I think I remember a simple cord…. I just bought the crusader cup and nato canteen, and wondered if he was using a belt, but it seems he just had a cord. Anyone else notice?
Proagg, thank you for the info and I believe you are correct. Can someone tell me what the ridges are for on the back of the SOG ?
Nobody has mentioned the Gerber Sheridan Partially Serrated Tactical Tanto … any reason ? It’s lighter and easier to carry. Weight is always an issue because I never plan to be on my own with just a knife. I’ll leave that to Bear.
This will sound stupid … How about waterproof & windproof matches … why is it they will light on the match book cover but on nothing else? Survival kit … do you keep matches, lighter, flint, magnesium? Do cotton balls make good starter material?
TSpa: I carry a tube of fire paste and those little fire starter sticks that you can get at any walmart or sporting goods store. I also have a little magnesium/flint combo which works nicely. Some call it cheating, but I just call it being prepared.
Does anyone know where to get the old “hurricane” matches – I too am not impressed w/ the new waterproof matches, but my dad used to carry those “hurricane” when he was a fire fighter, and they were awesome…
Nothing wrong with carrying all of the fire starters you have listed Dan, having back up for fire is just plain smart.
Not real impressed with magnesium starters, I have better luck with just the striker and dry fluffy tinder. The fire starter sticks work excellent as well, never tried fire paste.
In the Alaska interior, TP is the tinder of choice. Cotton balls should work fine as well, just pull the fiber apart to make it fluffy before you light. Your choice of tinder and fire starters will depend on the climate. Wet, dry, or humid.
I carry jute with me all the time. You can buy natural jute (Not colored) at the W-mart or your favorite nursery. Jute is a natural fiber, when painstakingly unraveled and fluffed into the size of a hardball and kept dry it lights easily and quickly with coal or flame. Its easy to store for emergency tinder.
The waterproof matches I have tried recently; (Manufactured for NATO), be very cautious in depending on these matches without lots of practise first in starting fire in wet conditions. You want to have lots of dry tinder in hand because the matches burn super quick.
They may work well with the fire paste, fire sticks, fuel, other matches in wet conditions. If anyone has experience in these NATO matches I would love to hear your experience.
TSpa, the ridges, top of the blade, close to handle, provide a non-slip surface for griping the knife with a thumb extended.
Tanto points are unlike traditional tapered points. They have more cutting surface at the tip and difficult to break Just the tip off a Tanto blade without snapping more blade because of the angle. I’ve broken the tip off my SOG Bowie 3 times now. I just sharpen the point back.
Thanks for all the great questions and comments everyone!
Just wanted to put a quick post in to state how much I enjoy following the quest to find Bear’s knife. Curiousity on that point actually brought me to this site.
I hate to throw another knife in the ring for those looking for a good survival blade (Both the SOG and Gerber are great) — but check out the Fallkniven F1 and A1. Good steel and a full tang that runs all the way through the knife and exits the handle (great for pounding).
On the waterproof match front, I’ve never had any luck. Cheap Strike anywhere matches in a H20 proof container or a Firesteel have worked best for me. When I was in Search and Rescue, we used to make our own firestartes on the cheap using medical gauze and parafin wax. Double boil the wax, dip in the gauze, and voila.
Admin- Thanks for keeping this going, and the consulting you’ve done with Mr. Grylls.
You probably won’t have tis on you but cotton balls and potroleum jelly are supposed to work great.
Strike anywhere matches; tips covered with paraffin/wax work very well and help to keep wooden matches dry.
An empty plastic snuff container works like a candle/fire starter…place wick in container and fill 3/4 with wax. Let cure, snap lid on easy to carry in your pack won’t tip over generally.
Snuff residue a bit smelly, clean out well. Use match to light candle, protect flame from wind, rain, falling snow as you build your fire.
The best part of this is to try some of the ways suggested here in this string, and then try your own ideas as well.
By practicing you gain a tremendous amount of information that will come to your aid when you have to start a fire in tough conditions.
Got some pics up of Bear’s fixed blade in Costa Rica. Looks like a scuba knife, but I can’t identify the brand. Yet….
http://www.flickr.com/photos/29223080@N00/345502658/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/29223080@N00/345502656/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/29223080@N00/345502653/
Love the show. I have been watching Bear Grylls since the first one took place in the Canadian Rockies a couple years back. Just wondering if there has been any progress in locating the fixed blade knife Bear uses. Also do you know what area of the Canadian Rockies that was filmed in?
Proagg,
Nice pics! These will definately serve as a good reference point to find out what knife Bear uses! Like other people have pointed out, it is definately not an ocean master or UK blue tang. It will be interesting finding out exactly what kind of knife it is.
Cool!!!
I love the show…it’s alot of fun and Bear’s genuineness bleeds through the screen. He is quite an amazing and accomplished individual. Its very inspiring to see someone like bear with the scope of accomplishments in his life…I think it helps motivate a lot of people to do more and “be” more. I did not see the answer to the canteen question…but it looks very much like a regular Army issue canteen (poly) with the metal base cup. It appears that Brits and the US use the same one. You can get one brand new, with metal base cup (looks exactly like the one seen on Man vs. Wild) and a army canvas cover on E-bay for about 9.00. Blessings to Bear and all involved with the show in the New Year, and we can’t wait for more!
To answer a few questions, I found these on the Discovery.com live chat with Bear. Held on Nov. 10, after the first showing of the Moab episode (#1).
edrobswill: What’s your favorite footwear?
Bear: I guess my Merrells that I wear a lot on the series, as they’re good for climbing as well as walking. And no, I’m not paid to say that by Merrell!
retzl90: How much research do you do before heading out to the location? Do you plan for certain possibilities, or is it mostly improvised?
Bear: I start two days beforehand with arrangers and experts filling me in on all the safety procedures, local animals, etc. I then try to get as many survival techniques that are native to that area as possible. I also have a pretty good idea of the things I want to do along the way, so then of course you’re dealing with things as they happen. What makes the final show is generally about a tenth of what actually happened, but that’s TV!
I searched the chat for knife info, but it came up lacking
Here’s a shot of the Swiss Army knife that Bear uses during episode 3:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/29223080@N00/346032203/
It can be purchased and described here:
http://www.wengerna.com/browse/product.jsp?prod_id=615&cat_id=1&sub_cat_id=21
or
http://www.opticsgiant.com/wesemokn.html
Couple more pictures, of the fixed blade from Costa Rica (handle this time):
http://www.flickr.com/photos/29223080@N00/345803011/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/29223080@N00/345807196/
The boots Bear favors (Merrell Chameleon Wrap Stretch Gore-Tex XCR (mentioned in the string more than once above) are currently on sale at REI for $79.99!!
I bought a pair based on the Administrator’s naming them (after seeing Bear wearing them—I figured if he isn’t sponsored by Merrell and DOES NOT mention them, he must really like them).
They are incredible comfortable!!! Light-hiking, rock scrambling appropriate. Funny enough, the day I headed to REI to buy them, I saw someone else wearing them and he too loves them.
Per earlier questions, I am in love with the recent SAS Survival Handbook—you can read and reread this again and again and learn something new each time. VERY Comprehensive (from my layman perspective).
Dear Administrator,
You asked me to tell you about the knife I am going to buy and I am pretty sure I am going to purchase the SOG Seal Pup. It is $75 and it consists of everything I need.
Thank you for the help.
i have seen the european alps show and bear makes snow shoes and you get a good glimpse at his knife it is a swiss army Forester that he uses in that episode
more info later
thanks,
amak
ok here’s the story
in march or around then im going to climb mountains in hawaii
1)i need a awesome fixed blade for a low price and sharp to stay
2) what other gear do i need? any suggestions?
(not basic stuff)
p.s. kershaw pocket knives are cool and sharp
pps im only 12 for misspelling people
Dear Amak,
for your mountain adventure in Hawaii I would recommend signing up for a couple of our courses first. Mountains are places you don’t simply climb without proper training, gear, and a solid partner. Mountains always deserve our complete attention and focus, respect the mountain and come home alive.
LOVE THE SHOW! LOVE THE KNIFE!…ANY CLUES WHAT IT IS?
thanks admin. what real gear do i need for the mountains im going with a group of locals who have trainig im a boy scout star and my parents so
what gear?
thanks,
amak
the quest is over for bears knife his fixed blade knife is a cold steel outdoorsman (as of costa rica pics)
i dont own one but cold steel is a mainly good company
thanks,
amak
Dear Amak,
anyone out there own a cold steel knife. Lets us know what you think of it.
Good to hear you will be traveling with a group on your adventure. Not sure what a Boy Scout star is, would be very interested in knowing.
As for your request for what type of gear to take to Hawaii, why don’t you let us know what you are going to bring, gear wise. Give us a bit more information where you are going, (Island) elevation you expect to be hiking, time of year, are you camping or day hiking/climbing?
Hey guys, the Cold steel outdoorsman is not the fixed blade knife used by Bear. It blade and handle are very different. If there is anymore word on what the knife is used in the island episode let us know.
All:
Last night there were three episodes … all repeats. Are they done with the series? Will there be another season?
The knife used on the Costa Rica episode and the island episode are the ones I’d like to learn about. It is not the SOG or Gerber listerd above? Admin: is there anyone you can call?
The cotton balls worked great. One spark and they went up like a dried up christmas tree. Make sure you have your twigs ready.
Great idea on the blue tip matches soaked in wax – worked great. Been in the garage experimenting. Wife thinks I’m nuts. – what’s new?
Merrel shoes – thanks for the tidbit of info above. Got a pair and what a good price. Can’t wait to try them out.
Been purchasing crap on Ebay. ESBIT fuel – works very well once lit. You have about 15 minutes to get a good fire going once you have one of these lit.
Hammond lighting paper – SUCKS ! Don’t waste your time.
Octavious Hunt – Storm Proof Matches. Work great but burn quickly and only light on the side of the box.
I have more crap coming this week. I’ll let you know how it turns out.
Don’t give up on finding out what knife he uses !
TSpa, thanks for your results on the fire experiments, very nice.
Yes they are producing more Man Vs Wild, though we will have to wait and see when they air.
The Desert Island episode and the knife Bear uses: Hope to have the answer here at some point. May have to wait when I see Bear again.
If you find out about the old style Hurracane matches or their present day counter part that would be interesting.
Your almost ready to try the Fire Plow method, as Bear demonstrated on Desert Island.
I cant stop watching this show, I think Ive seen each episode about 5 times, have them all on TIVO, and cannot wait for the new ones to come out.
I never had an interest in camping/survival until this show caught my interest, now I find myself shopping for knives, tents, etc non-stop. On the knife topic, I just watched the Alaska episode and when hes building the spear for the salmon you get some good glimpses of his knife, and although I couldnt pause to watch it (not at home) it looked a lot like either the Seal Pup that Ive been researching the heck out of or the Gerber LMF2. Both look like excellent blades and must be tough since they were both designed alongside the military.
Even though I think there was only one badmouther about Bear, I want to make a comment. If you dont think he is surviving on his own, go try summiting Everest or crossing the Atlantic Ocean from northern canada in winter, then come back on here and talk trash.
Everyone I watch this show with has more of a fascination with the camera-men than they do with Bear, which is irritating to say the least, but nonetheless intriguing. It would be nice to know how many personell there are besides him, and what equipment they have. Its always wierd to see parallel views of him while rafting down a river, they must carry inflatable rafts or something. Also parallel shots while hes climing/repelling down a cliff are interesting. My guess is they either carry climbing equipment, or have some serious telephoto lenses.
Anyway, thats it for me, gotta get back to the marathon thats on right now (pacific island currently). I couldnt imagine a better vacation for myself than hanging out in the wild with Bear Grylls.
Jon
ok im goin g to be on oahu not on mountains in the rainforest (quick change of plans)
oh almost forgot admin a boy scout star is a boyscout at the 2nd to last “level” as you would say
thanks,
amak
Mr. Administrator,
You mentioned a newsletter. How can I access it? I’ve been looking at a couple of army issue backpacks for some wilderness camping. External or internal frame doesn’t really matter to me, but that’s because I haven’t carried one for any distance. I’ve been looking at the MOLLE II and the CFP 90 Internal frame pack. Any suggestions?
Keep up the good work. I got lucky and stumbled upon this site. I too am a fan of MvW and watch the reruns continually.
I think I may have a link for the Dive Knife used by Bear in the Costa Rica episode- It appears to be a “Parkway Titanium Pro Point Dive Knife” Here are a few links I found-
http://www.island-scuba.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Product_Code=KN80&Affiliate=divebooty1
http://www.scubatoys.com/store/detail.asp?product_id=TitaniumKnife&referer=DG001
http://www.casanovasadventures.com/catalog/watersports/p40064.htm
It comes with the rubber quick release leg straps as seen when Bear raises his pants leg to retrieve the knife.
Hope this helps-
I think your right on the dive knife from Costa Rica! Good job! I looked on Google searches for an hour the other day…. Now we just need the folder here: http://www.flickr.com/photos/29223080@N00/343022002/ Thats the one I want to find VERY badly.
benm3218 check out the “Buck Iceman Tactical Folder”- This could be the folder!
http://www.knifecenter.com/kc_new/store_detail.html?s=BU873
The handle shape looks like a match with the screws and texture of the grip. The blade looks similar with the small “blood groove” which can barely be seen in the picture you linked of Bear cutting the trumpet plant to make a straw.
What do you think?
Hi all, I thought you might like to see this. A very close match to the video on Discovery Channel.
http://www.island-scuba.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Product_Code=KN80&Affiliate=nextag
I too have been intrigued by the knives on this show and have been searching to find out which one he prefers/recommends (which led me to this thread). After doing a bunch more research I came across this: http://www.equipped.org/devices5.htm and while the site isn’t necessary aesthetically pleasing the authors make some strong points about what is and isn’t desirable in a survival knife.
Anyhow, more food for thought.
Chazman,
Thanks for bringing the equiped.org article to our attention. Makes a great point between a military type blade and a basic survival knife. I lean toward his definition of a goody sturdy working survival knife.
Take a look at my article on survival knives here- http://www.lifesongadventures.com/newsletter/?cat=3
Admin – The page on your article isn’t pulling up anything for me….. It just has a heading with no post, and I’d love to read your article. Is there another link to post?
The Buck knife looks like the one! Great find. Thanks.
dbm I don’t think that is the knife from the Costa Rica. The blade looks right since it has the drop point tip, the serrated back and the cutting hook, but I didn’t see any gray color on the handle of his knife. But it could just be a different grip.
benm3218-
If you click on the link above then run your cursor over the title ‘Survival Knife’, it will light up…click on that and it will open the article for you.
dbm that is DEFINITELY the folding knife he uses. Thanks a million. If anyone missed, I posted pictures for reference and it matches perfectly. Smoky MTN knives has it for a buck less, and if you’re near TN, you can pick it up there. For the rest of us, here’s a link:
http://www.eknifeworks.com/webapp/eCommerce/product.jsp?Mode=Cat&Brand=&CatalogName=&PriceStart=&PriceEnd=&Feature=&Cat=1&SearchText=iceman&Submit.x=0&Submit.y=0&list=10&range=1&order=Default&SKU=BU5856
Buck seems to be a good company as far as I know. They make reliable knives for a decent price.
As for the scuba knife, it is extremely close…the closest I’ve found. I doubt that is the same one, but from all my searching, I don’t think there are many prestigious names in scuba knives. i.e. even if we figure out the “exact” knife that Bear uses, I doubt it would be any more reliable than the scubamax.
That Breitling Emergency with the yellow face is a great watch. Bear has good taste in equipment.
What about Gryll’s backpack? Has anyone else noticed it seems to be waterproof?
Bear,
Man vs. Wild rocks. Bear is my hero!
If you could just tell us every last thing you use/have used/will use, it would make me and everyone one else on here VERY happy
Hey guys, I just stumbled across this site, I have a cold steel fixed blade knive that I have used for many years, I have found its a good balance between thick enough to split wood and light enough to pack anywhere. I was looking for the canteen that was used on MvW, Thanks for all this great information here… I had been using a 32oz. Nalgene bottle with a fitted stainless steel cup for boiling. I like the canteen idea, it seems more durable if dropped or bashed on a rock as I am already on my 3rd Nalgene and 2nd cup.
I built a kit some years back when I was spending more time outdoors, I will share it here since it seems this is a crowd that might actually appreciate it
Its based on the altoids can concept from equipped.org but I wanted something water-proof, not just water resistant, so I bought a small mini pelican case just a little bigger that the altoids tin. here are some photos of what I carry: http://www.jasonmeredith.com/small_kit
It has a nice varity of things including a nice assortment of fishing items, since when I put this together I was on my way to Belize and I was going to be near water it made sense.
I also carry a firesteel with a waterproof pill holder (REI) that I have stuffed cotton balls into which works GREAT for getting that first flame every time.
anyone else that has good ideas and wants to share feel free to contact me.
-Jason Meredith
Hi Jason,
good looking emergency kit! Well organized and waterproof to boot. Excellent idea. The knife in the picture is that the cold steel knife you are talking about here. looks to be a good one, whats the model?
Nalgene are great water bottles for lots of reasons, one of course is that many of the water purifyers fit the bottles nicely and helps to make the filtering process easier. The downside is that they can break as you mention.
We carry Nalgene water bottles when we back pack, day hike, and in our vehicles. I prefer the wide mouth bottles.
Thanks for your post.
It is a cold steel knife, http://www.coldsteel.com/38ck.html
It has served me well over the years, as I said I found it to be a good combination of strength and weight.
I have also begun to carry a small gerber pack axe on the other side of my belt (http://www.gerberstore.com/index.php?xpage=itempage&xid=427) It was only recently purchased and as of yet hasnt been put though the ropes. but I have had really good luck with the larger Gerber Axe I have used for camping
pretty cool website, I wish there was something like what you offer in the south Texas area.
-Jason
Hey Jason,
The Cold Steel SRK is a great looking knife alright. Fits all my parameters of an excellent sturdy working knife. I had the opportunity to see one the other day and was impressed.
My partner Celeste, has carried the Gerber pack axe with her now for a couple of years and finds it very handy. She especially enjoys the small insert knife in the handle.
Just a safety note on short handled camp axes as you will know Jason, with a short handle ax, if you miss what you’re aiming at, just make sure your leg and thigh is out of the way!
Thanks for all the info Jason and we appreciate your comments on our site. We are working on improving the site as our tech skills improve, Celeste has been working overtime to get ready for much needed changes.
We have requests from folks, who like you, ask us to present our courses in the south. I taught out of Starkville MS., for a couple of years and we have a small list of interested people that continues to grow for a 4-5 day Circle camp that we can offer…looking at the fall of 2008, possibly, we could possibly swing it late fall of 2007.
If you’re interested in attending this course, just drop me an email from my website and will put you down for a possible.
Anyone else who may be interested in this as well, drop us an email and will keep you up-dated.
Thanks.
Mark.
Hey Jason … I too am in South Texas.
I’m planning a trip to Peru in May. I’ve got two other people and am looking for a fourth … with good outdoor skills. Any interest? We’ll be trekking in and around Cusco for roughly 6 days. This trip will combine camping, hiking, & fishing in some remote spots.
I know, sounds weird but we’re legit.
What’s up guys? That SCUBAMAX dive knife looks like it is the one minuse the color of the handle, but I think that is the one. I work in a gear shop so I’ve used a lot of the gear or at least learned about most of the gear Bear uses. Admin, if you could still find out the exact make and model of the knife used in the island episode I would appreciate it. Thanks.
I got this email from a guy named Simon on Bear’s staff regarding his knife:
“Hi,
Bear is away filming.
But I know that he is using quite a few knives to represent a knife that
someone in that situation might find themselves with.
As to the knives that Bear has and I have been out in the wilds with him are
a pretty tatty bunch, made up of a very cheap and rusty machete a Swiss army
knife and his old British commando knife from his days with the SAS (the
commando knife is a lot like a K Bar).
Hope that helps?”
So those are some knives that he has used as per a guy who knows him well. Anyone made any other progress on that dive knife? I’m also interested in finding out what this British commando knife is like…
tspa,
Sounds great, but I am just starting a project with a friend that will take me back to South East Asia for a little while, I would love to get to Cuzco someday, it seems like a very interesting place to explore. good luck and happy hiking.
-Jason
Mark, that is indeed true of the small razor sharp axes that Gerber sells, I have had a few moments of sheer terror thinking about what I would do it I did miscalculate and chop into my leg… that just enforces me to pay attention to what Im doing
I have noticed with the short handled axe that if you arent careful you can also give your hands a pretty good bashing, I have several good scratches from reaching into scrub brush to clear a path, but its still a pretty useful tool and its so lightweight.
I will be checking back on your website to see if there are any offerings down in my neck of the woods. Do you or any of your staff have experience in South Texas as far as edible plants, types of vegitation, blah, blah, blah all that fun knowledge? would you like me to see if any of the area outdoors gear stores would be interested in hosting / advertising for a class? with just a little groundwork I’m sure we could get more people aware and ultimatly interested in attending your class.
Let me know.
-Jason
Dan Rice,
Sounds as you touched bases with Simon the head camera on all Man Vs Wild shoots – super fellow and knows his stuff. The whole crews great including the Bear. On the Sierra Shoot we didn’t use a knife, obsidian was used in place of a the knife.
In the Hawaii shoot bear had his dive knife with him. I was so busy that I didn’t get a chance to really take notice of the make and model. As Simon says, It was a typical nondescript though sturdy looking one. Very light, blade 6″ more or less. I have been attempting to get an answer, it may not be until I see Bear again. -Mark
Jason,
I have had the same experience with bashing knuckles with short handled tools.
I have not been to south Texas Jason and though I’m not familiar with some of the plants you all have down that way, you do have many plants that I have worked with and of course I love learning new plants and what they can share with us.
Absolutely, would love to come down your way and do a course for interested folks in south Texas area. I’ll drop you an email. -Mark
Here is a recommendation on a great knife for a even better price. Look at the SOG field pup. Fixed blade and a good size for day pack. Also here is a nice light weight water bottel setup. Olicamp – Space Saver cup fits any 16oz bottel and slides neatly into the water bottel pouch. Great small cup for boiling or making survival stew. Only cost $5.00.
Love the man vs wild show. Just wish it was on more nights of the week.
Remember the best survival tool is your brain…
What’s up guys? The SCUBAMAX knife looks like it may be the knife Bear uses minuse the handle is a little different and I don’t know about the sheath. Admin, if you could keep trying to find out what the exact make and model I would appreciate it. Also me and a buddy of mine are heading up to the HIgh Sierras sometime in late June or July for an ultralight trip. I was just curious to the what type of weather conditions we could expect e.g. temperatures and other things.
Thanks
ps. if you hate wearing a knife on your belt like i do the leg straps are a nice way to go, very comfortable
What brand/type of backpack does Bear use? It appears to be water-resistant and very durable. I’m just looking for a good pack so any one that has any reccomendations, that would be great. I have already looked at the north face’s neutron 32.
http://www.thenorthface.com/opencms/opencms/tnf/gear.jsp?site=NA&model=APK3
ADhiker, Hello
You can expect cool weather, localized and often severe thunderstorms with hail and snow for the high elevations. In the valley temperatures may be warmer during the day, but it will be cool to chilly at night. Watch those clouds they have a tendency to sneak in, in the afternoon. I would caution you not to get caught in a creek drainage where flash floods are possible and stay off the bare ridges during thunder storms. Granite may look solid, but it has a tendancy to sheer and there have been some major slides. So be smart, be strong and stay safe and most of all have a great time! The grandeur is breathtaking.
Hey Matt,
Bear uses a North Face day pack/light hiker. I do also. I highly recommend them. Good quality, rugged, water proof?, mine sheds the water pretty well until there’s a deluge. They make packs with a coating that repells the water, but they will get wet when submerged. Invest in a light weight poncho that will fit over your rain jacket and your pack and that should suffice for the short hall. Above all find one that meets your needs fill it up with stuff at the retail store and walk around with it on. Day packs/light hikers are not as forgiving on your back as a full fledged backpack, but the padding on mine is excellent and I am able to fully adjust it for a comfotable fit. I have hiked up to 16 miles in a day with it full and never had any discomfort. I like to access certain items in my pack quickly and easily and North Face provides lots of pocket space and it’s easily accesible. Mine is not hydration ready, as I am rather hard on my gear, ( it would be easy for me to rub a hole in the bag), so I have completely enclosed water bottle compartments on both sides of the pack, very balanced. Make sure you procure a pack with a good wide comfortable belt, padded. After a while the packs with just nylon belts will rub you raw in a very short time. My shoulder straps are also padded and very adjustable with an adjustable breast strap, not just for cinching, but also vertically. I am a research biologist and I have had my pack for about 7 years and it still looks new, when I wash it, that is. I can get all my gear in it and that is considerable.
Oh, by the way, I’m the Admin’s (Mark’s) other half. If you have any more questions let us know.
I too am looking for the knife that The Bear uses. I have enjoyed reading all the dialog and have researched many of the suggestions. In my search I came across a knife at the equipped.org website. It is a knife by Doug Ritter called the RSK Mk3. Anyone heard of it or have any opinions about it?
Jaysin,
I to am uncomfortable with a belt and knife on my waist. Wearing a leather belt is a good idea for attaching a knife and other tools, plus if you run out of food you can always eat the belt!
As long as the leather of the belt is not commercially tanned, commercial tanned leather has no nutrition value apparently.
On your leg, waist, pocket, its important to keep the knife attached somehow to your body. I carry mine usually on a sling over my shoulder tucked just below my armpit with enough tension on the strap to keep the knife from swinging around. For me thats a comfortable way to carry my knife.
Thanks for the post.
Another great day pack to look into is the Kelty Redtail 1800. Nice pocket space and seperate compartments, hydration compatible, light, durable, and excellent padding. And it’s pretty easy on te wallet.
Christine,
While researching the knives that Bear uses I too came across the Doug Ritter MK3 (http://www.equipped.org/rsk_mk3.htm). Bear’s show, this thread and others like have been a catalyst for a fair amount of research on my part as to what is desirable in a true survival knife. The Doug Ritter knife seems to be very well suited for that purpose.
Unfortunately, many folks seem to get caught up in the “sizzle” of military and scuba styled knives but when one begins to understand what is important in a survival situation many of the military and scuba knives probably are not the ideal tool. Of course, there are a number of exceptions.
Obviously, one thing that is important in a survival situation is the durability of the knife when it is used, shall we say, abnormally – digging, chopping, bearing extreme weight, etc. Keys to durability are the type of steel the knife is made of and the shape and thickness of the blade. In short (and I suspect there will be some dissenters to this), one cannot go wrong with a knife that
Has a drop point shape (thought some clip points are serviceable if the clip is not too severe)
Has a Full tang
Is, at a minimum, 5/32 of an inch thick
Has a smooth edge
Is neither too long or to short
In general, this list does not describe an average military or scuba knife.
This website (http://www.equipped.org/devices4.htm) has what I consider to be a good overview of what is important in a survival knife.
In addition to the Doug Ritter MK3, these following are good examples of knives that have qualities that have proven to be best suited for survival situations:
The Combat Utility 7 #BK7, Becker Extreme #BK77, and Crewman Utility Knife #BK10 (http://www.camillusknives.com/1mainframe.htm?bkt/index.shtml~main) by Becker Knife and Tool (Camillus Knives)
The SOG X-42 Field Knife
Busse (which also makes Swamp Rat and Scrap Yard) have a number of excellent knives that are ideal. Unfortunately it is difficult to find their knives for sale.
My original message did not post, the message that i wrote the p.s. to. It went something like this. I own the blue tang titanium, made by underwater kinetics, “scuba knife” and so far have been very impressed with it. i have not had to dig a hole or chop down a tree with it yet however, hopefully i wont have to as i try not to get lost in the wild. but as they say stuff happens. but my original point is it looks a lot like the knife you guys have been talking about. Fits many of the descriptions. As i said in my p.s. the reason that i got that knife was the leg straps and sheath that came with it. The knife locks itself into it so that it cant come out and the leg straps are very comfortable to wear. i hate having a large knife digging into my side or leg while climbing. anyways to make a short story long, this knife is one of my favorite that i own and always comes with me on any trip.
oh and i have watched man vs wild, my wife thinks he is hot i think, so she has also began watching it, faithfully…. but its a real good show, that guy is a trip. Hope the next season is as entertaining as what i have seen so far.
hi im looking at the gerber lmf II would it cut wood well
thanks,
amak
Hello Amak,
I have no experience with the Gerber LMF II Tactical knife. Here is a case study – http://www.policeone.com/police-products/duty-gear/knives/press-releases/120430/
From the case study:
“One classic story is of a sniper team in Iraq that used the knife to knock a hole through a solid brick wall to create a shooting lane to the intended target,” the SEAL said. “While the job took a while to complete, using both ends of the weapon, minor damage to the blade incurred that was quickly fixed by the sharpener on the blade’s sheath.”
Wow! A knife that breaks through concrete walls with only minor damage! That’s not a knife, its a tank! Watch out K-BAR.
I like these feature’s as well…”The 5-inch stainless steel blade has a 3/16″ thickness, and a Rockwell Hardness C Scale rating of 58. The blade also has a high length-of-arc to provide an increased cutting edge. As for the LMF 2′s intended purpose of providing quick egress in a downed helicopter situation, there are holes drilled through the blade and handle to allow lashing a spear. But the more noticeable “egress” design feature of this knife is the unique buttcap. It is the heavy end of the knife, made of stainless steel, and, with a point at its end, capable of breaking ¼” helicopter Plexiglas or even skulls. Also, the buttcap is physically separated from the knife’s tang by handle substrate material.”
Especially like this about the knife – “This design gives the buttcap terrific shock absorption when it’s used as a hammer and electrically isolates the blade from the buttcap. This is very cool for our guys who may be stuck in a chopper, hummer, or any other situation this knife could be of help.”
Here is another look at the Gerber LMF II Tactical – http://www.gerber-tools.com/Gerber-LMF-II-22-01629.htm
With a gross weight of 11.39 ounces it seems to have enough heft that a good working knife needs to have. The blade at 4.84 inches is a nice size not to long or aggressive.
Amak, Have you had a chance to hold the knife? I’m sure it would work just fine in the field when you need it.
I think we all would love to hear more on this knife from folks who have put it through its paces.
Thanks for your post Amak
Okay, about to buy a new survival knife, and I’m caught between the two:
KA-BAR:
https://www.kabar.com/product_detail.jsp?productNumber=1211&mode=category&categoryId=1,2,3,7&categoryName=All-Purpose/Utility#
Cold Steel SRK:
http://www.coldsteel.com/38ck.html
Right now I’m leaning toward the SRK because of the lanyard and it is a little lighter, however, I have owned a KA-BAR since I was a kid (present from Dad!) and I like the blade’s ability to sharpen easily.
I’ve never owned an SRK (or any Cold Steel for that matter), and for those out there that have, how does the blade hold an edge, and is it easy to sharpen (i.e. in the field) or is it something to be done professionally?
Cold Steel makes good products for the money. The SRK is a very reputable model. I’ve got 6 or 7 CS blades – I love them all – they all hold a good edge and are easy to sharpen. BUT, I would suggest that you look at RANGER KNIVES – look at the RD6 (ready detachment 6″) or RD7 – made by an Army Ranger named Justin Gingrich at great prices (the 7″ is about $100 w/ sheath – I just ordered one) – not to mention great customer service. 1/4″ carbon steel w/ micarta handles (or any custom variant you want). Its also nice to know that when you call to order one – you talk to the man himself. Unconditional Lifetime Warranty as well. The website is http://www.rangerknives.com – the newer models aren’t pictured yet but you can find them on the Ranger Knives section of knifeforums.com.
I just got a gerber lmf II. It appears to be a very stable durable knife. I still have to put it through its paces though. More to come later.
hey matt does it cut wood well that is my main priority
thanks,
amak
I am glad to see that MvW is so popular. I love the show and I think Bear is an awesome person both on and off the screen. In reading the many posts it looks like the show may be creating a surge in getting people more active about outdoor adventure and that is great. It also looks like a lot of knives will be bought this year. I myself use KA-Bars and Gerbers.
Admin – I bought and read all the Tom Brown books. INCREDIBLE man and great info. I learned alot more than I thought I would…. Respect for land and animals and even plants is paramount. The Survival shows are fun to watch, but some of the stuff shouldnt be done unless its a life or death situation. I hope everyone on this board reads those books.
I bought the Gerber LMF and will let you know what I think in a few days once it arrives. It looks pretty tough.
Yes benm3218,
everyone should read Browns books. Good to hear that you are inspired by them.
Folks are really liking the Gerber LMF II Tactical, looking forward to your comments regarding field use.
Thanks for the post.
Though it’s not quite the size as the LMF II I have used the Gerber Gator fixed blade for several years and enjoy the knife! VERY Durable and with a 4″ blade I’m more likely to cary it on me. If I’m going backpacking or even just day hiking I carry the Gerber Back Paxe. The axes sharp blade and light weight are amazing. From hammering to cutting it does it with precision and speed! I can take down decent (shelter size) trees in seconds witht the axe. Just my .02.
Oh yeah, Bear is truly a mans man. The show is great!
First of all my friends and I are huge fans of Bear and Man Vs. Wild. I know it was asked earlier, but I don’t remember ever reading an answer about how much Bear gets paid. I’ve done some pretty stupid things before for very little if any money, but i couldn’t begin to imagine how much you’d have to pay me to drink from elephant crap, or dive into frozen water.
Bear is my hero.
Amak the LMF II cuts wood well. You would be better off with a saw but I was able to cut through a 4in. diameter limb in only a few minutes. I would recommend using a choping/hacking motion as opposed to using the serration. The weight and sharpness of the blade should do most of the work for you. It was extremely sharp out of the box and has held that edge. It has been holding up so far. The built in knife sharpener is very convenient. One thing I didn’t like was that mine didn’t come with a second strap. (used to attach it to one’s leg) Upon further investigation I found that two straps are included with the LMF II ASEK package, not with the LMF II. I’m going to the mountains this weekend, so I’ll use it some more and let ya know about anything else.
Oh and the handle absorbed shock very well when chopping.
Thanks for the feed back on the Gerber LMF II tactical Matt, including the sharpener, straps, and any other accessories it comes with. Looking forward to more feedback as you use the knife.
No one has looked at Ranger knives yet huh? I just got my RD7 today in the mail – it is simply indestructable. Thats about all I have to say. 100% indestructable. Feels good in the hand, very high quality, and excellent customer service. I’ve never seen a knife with a blade that was a full 1/4 inches thick. The Micarta handles are very comfortable as well. They also come with a nice tactical nylon sheath w/ a clip shut pouch on the front. I’m going to get a few more in different sizes – I’m in no way affiliated w/ the company, but if I’m going choose one blade and bet my life on the fact that it will hold up – this is the one! And you can’t beat the price/quality ratio.
Some other observations on this Ranger is that since it is flat ground (as opposed to hollow) it is much more effective at chopping. The heavy skull crusher pommel (w/ lanyard hole) would be great for opening foods w/ hard shells.
I’ve also got an Ontario RTAK II which is designed by Jeff Randall from Randall Adventure Training (they have a whole line of RAT knvies made by Ontario). Its a huge blade @ 10.25″, but would be ideal for jungle environments – small machette sized, but very high quality. Similar design to the Ranger – flat ground, micarta handles, 1095 Steel – just a slightly thinner blade.
Both Ontario RAT and Ranger make extremely high quality blades (both companies’ blades are strikingly similar) ideal for survival situations in multiple sizes. Check ‘em out! http://www.ontariorat.com and http://www.rangerknives.com
I want to know what knife Bear uses in the episode that he is I think making hte raft and beating on the back of the knife with a rock to help cut through. The blade is Black and is a fixed blade, he had it secured around his leg.
Thats the dive knife, and we can’t figure out what it is. Been a huge, long discussion. Most have agreed that a SOG Seal Pup is pretty close – and is very high quality – but doesn’t have that line cutter on the top. Let us know if you figure it out.
I saw these two knives earlier and I was wondering if anyone knows if they are good knives or if i should keep looking.
http://www.island-scuba.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Product_Code=KN80&Affiliate=divebooty1
http://www.knifecenter.com/kc_new/store_detail.html?s=BU873
Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Hey Todd,
What is the main use you are thinking about for your knife?
Well, my friends and I are planning on taking a couple of 2-3 day camping trips, nothing to serious with maybe some rock climbing and hiking (and after reading opinions on this board i picked up a pair of Merrell’s and love them). I don’t really know what things I’ll need it for exactly until we get out there, I probably will not need to dig holes or chop down trees or anything. I’m just looking for a good sturdy knife, that is relatively cheap that will last for a while.
OK What fixed blade is he useing that has a black blade and it wasnt any of the dive knives that have been posted in here.
Yeah determining whether or not a knife is good for you depends on what you plan on using it for. There are a several posts about the knife in your first link, you should read them.
Matt: So you went out and bought a Gerber LMF II. So did I. Like a 59 year old man needs an air crew survival knife. Took it out back and chooped a 3″ oak limb with it. It works. Very rugged setup. Butt ugly, but really effective. Have not been able to catch Man v Wild lately. Bear must be resting. I hope the series continues. Someone needs to tell Bear that he does’t have to run all the time he is on camera. makes me tired to watch.
Ken Onion Kershaws are very good knives.
I just got my LMF II ASEK delivered today. Looking forward to trying it out. For anyone looking to buy one check this site. Cheapest price I could find and great service.
http://www.lapolicegear.com/lmfiiasek.html
I just got that knife from that website pittee. I got the knife yesterday. So far I’ve only chopped a couple of branches but it makes quick time on them. To me the knife feels good in my hands. I like the grip. If anyine has anymore questions about the LMF II ask away.
Check out my newly customized survival blade! I stripped and blued the blade for a nice custom look – the lack of coating makes it chop more efficiently, and the bluing prevents the high carbon blade from rusting. I trust this knife with my life any day of the week! Here’s a link.
http://www.knifeforums.com/forums/showtopic.php?fid/72/tid/787349/pid/1142587/post/last/#LAST
Just noticed the LMF II is on sale at http://www.rockynational.com/1791_22-01400_Gerber_ASEK.html I don’t own the knife but noticed a lot of folks taking notice of it…
Here’s a news flash for you all. Bear Grylls is to be on The Oprah Winfrey show tomorrow, Wednesday, January 21. Will be watching!
Dan Rice,
Nice looking blades! I’ll be contacting you.
Jeremy Groves
pittee’s link for the Gerber Tactical is a bit cheaper than what you found.
Check it out!
Admin – I did the finish on that blade myself (real simple, just cold bluing), but it was made by Justin at Ranger Knives. $100 w/ sheath. He’s got 4″, 6″, 7.5″, and 9.5″ in that same series. Anyone who wants one can call him at (507) 230-0398 – just drop my name as the referral if you call! I’m already saving for some different sizes (mine is the 7.5).
I missed the Oprah interview – maybe there will be re-runs!
Hey Admin ! ! Your post was on the 30th and you say Bear will be on Opra Jan 21st? Then it’s already past and over.
By the way I also have the Gerber. Mine is the LMF Infantry model.
Good eye Troy. Me bad.
We did watch the interview with Oprah on Jan 31. I have no idea why Oprah didn’t ask Bear about the knife on the desert Island episode? I was sure she monitored this site…darn.
Dan, Thanks for the info on Justin’s knives!
I have a SOG Bowie that has been a fantastic working knife for me over the years. I just sent it off to SOG because I have had some problems of late with the edge of the blade. When I sharpen the knife using the Razor’s Edge Sharpening System http://www.razoredgesystems.com little teeth have been appearing on the edge of the blade. So SOG is going to smooth it out and sharpen the blade, redo my kraton handle. (its starting to leave black marks on my hand) and mail it back to me all under warranty. Great customer service, thanks SOG.
I’m bringing this up because I would like folks to share their sharpening systems with us. I have used the Razor’s edge system for years now and have been very happy with it.
On the Costa Rica episode, Bear Grylls showed us how to field sharpen a blade using quartz rock that had been crushed and rubbed onto green limb wood, with the bark removed, he then ran his knife edge back and forth across it to sharpen the edge.
I have used another similar method to sharpen in the field using a smooth quartz rock, with patience the quartz polishes and touched up the edge very well. I have also used a variety of river rock to touch up my blades while I’m in the field.
Please share your sharpening systems with us, and questions you have about sharpening.
The LMF II has a built in sharpener in the sheath.
I always carry an arkansas stone or small diamond sharpener in the utility pouch on all of my fixed blades’ sheaths (I’m a fan of nylon sheaths, thats just me, may be a problem w/ a kydex sheath system).
matt Says:
“The LMF II has a built in sharpener in the sheath. ”
Thats a nice feature!
what is most of beArs gear? what company stuff and what name?
thanks,
amak
what should i do to keep my knife from getting scratches (removing them) how should i clean it and are there any oils to keep my knife in shape?
thanks,
amak
It does come in handy, but I do carry a backup sharpener just in case.
I saw Man v Wild Friday. There was a whole series of them. He ate dead zebra (well, some of it). The knife I noticed most often looked like a Gerber Gator. He made a spear with it. He was in Africa. Bear travels fast and light. I doubt that the heavy Ranger knife or Gerber LMF would suit his high-speed, low drag life syle! But for most of us those are excellent survival knives, as is the expensive Tom Brown Tracker from TOPS Knives. I hope to see more Man v Wild episodes. Even if I can’t duplicate some of his techniques due to my physical limitations, there is always plenty of good survival advice in each episode that most of us could use. But most important, Bear is fun to watch TV for outdoor adventure.
I have a review with pictures of the Ontario RTAK II posted at the below link – it made short work of a frozen 9″ diameter downed pine tree, and was still sharp enough to shave my arm with afterwards. The pictures speak for themself. Check it out:
http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php?p=4331936#post4331936
I didn’t read all the posts on knives, but I got about halfway through and decided to toss in my 2 cents…
I swear by my Ka Bar. I mean it, I’ve tried lots of knives before and the rate at which some of them chip, bend and break is ludicrous. My Ka Bar has stood the test of time and I wou;dn’t dream of being stranded(or not stranded for that matter) without it.
PVT Cambron
amak:
I have had the same problem with getting scratches on my knife. They aren’t bad, but I would also know what I could do to prevent this. I don’t think they’ll hurt the knife other than just making it less visualy appealing…not that that really matters. As for oil, I use a gun lubricant/rust prevention oil. It seems to work well. Pretty much anything made for knives and guns that prevents rust will work fine.
Right on PVT Cambron,
I feel the same way you do with your Ka Bar as I do about my SOG Bowie. And I think that is the point to consider with a knife, is test by trial! Use it, abuse it, scratch it, sharpen it, make it dull, pound on it! If after ten years it still holds together that’s what I call a knife!
amak,
matt is sharing some very good information on keeping your knife in shape. In survival consider other types of oils found naturally from plants, tree’s, or your body to protect your knife from rust.
Scratches on your knife do not hinder the function of the knife in anyway as far as I know. Scratches created from other metal can cause rust to develop in knives other than stainless steel. You can buff scratches out with a cloth wheel, or lambs hide with the wool intact like you would do to brighten silver. I just sent my SOG Bowie in for the first time for some maintenance after 12 years of hard use. They buffed all the scratches off it and it looks brand new!
I recieved an SOG Seal Pup Elite for my birthday from an uncle of mine, and I pretty much feel the same way PVT Cambron and the administrator feel about their knives. I haven’t tested it out yet (still waiting for it to warm up alittle bit outside), but i just love the feel of it in my hands.
I saw the african safari episode friday night (i think) and I agree with Victor it definitly looked like a Gerber Gator atleast as far as I could tell.
Here are some very good pic’s of ceramic knife sharpeners. I have used several of these types in the past very briefly and it was a number of years ago. http://www.discountcutlery.net/en-us/dept_22068.html
I’m not suggesting you purchase from this site, it has good variety of sharpeners and the pictures are good.
If you use these types please let us know how you like them.
Dan Rice,
I wanted to follow the links to see the pictures regarding your RAT II chopping through the pine limb. Could you leave a bit more info to find the thread.
Thanks!
These links should all get you to the chopping! Great knife for sure. Some of them probably require a (free) membership to look at them, but at least one of these should work for you without signing up. They’re all the same review:
http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=452224
http://www.jungletraining.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=3579
http://www.knifeforums.com/forums/showtopic.php?tid/787873/
I also just ordered the Scrapyard Dogfather (one of the Busse family offshoots) – probably the strongest chopper on the market for the $$ ($140). The RTAK II is real tough as well, but it has a thinner blade (3/16) than the Dogfather (almost 5/16). Enjoy the pix!
Found the pictures! Thanks Dan, real nice photo’s of the RTAK II. A serious chopper.
My SOG Bowie has good weight for chopping, but you can see the design of the RTAK II has all the advantage. Ontario Knife just shipped me a new Kukri that I trashed on the Desert Island shoot, Man Vs Wild. Its a huge knife and the steel is a bit soft for hard dry grasses like bamboo. Or woods we have here on the Oregon coast, Rhododendron, huckleberry, and snappy fir limbs. The Kukri goes through all these woods green, but literally bent the blade over on dry bamboo…where my SOG continued to chop through green or dry bamboo.
I like the look of the RTAK II, actually the whole series looks to be fine working knives.
I don’t think I’d chop through trees all day w/ that RTAK II, because it IS relatively thin, but it would be perfect for a jungle environment I think (which is what it was designed for). Up there in Oregon you might seriously consider that Scrapyard Dogfather (www.scrapyardknives.com) – super heavy blade, S77 steel. You’ve got an awesome job though, I’m envious!
I checked out the Scrapyard knives, thanks Dan, they are impressive choppers. Where these types of knives come in handy here on the Oregon coast is when were having to cut tree boughs for shelter and bedding and getting through the occasional thorn patch.
Appreciate you sharing your knives and these other great sites.
Hey guys,
I recently got into MvW and LOVE the show!! My cousin and I have always wanted to hike to the top of Half Dome in Yosemite. We are starting to plan a trip this summer probably in Late May or June. Any suggestions or tips that you could give us would be VERY MUCH appreciated. We will be securing a campsite in Little Yosemite Valley since we aren’t crazy enough to try to do it in one day. Thanks for whatever you can share with me and I’ll probably be getting those Merell shoes Bear wears since I know how much it sucks when your feet get beat up!!
Hey Chris,
the ladder on Half Dome is a great experience! Just one tip for you, keep a very careful eye on the weather. Hikers on the Dome are hit by lightning often that time of year. Make sure and check with the Rangers and heed their advice, you’ll have fun and come back alive! One more tip,
Little Yosemite Valley used to be known for its Bear population, watch you’re trail mix.
Hi all,
. By the way, I love the show, keep up the good work.
In one of the MvW episodes I saw Bear using some flint that looked like it was connected to a string, does anyone know what type this is? Maybe this is a stupid question, but I am kind of new to the world of outdoor survival (fascinated by it too
on the SOG pup elite there is a serrated edge. but on the flat edge there is also a small serrated part. what are the purposes of both of the serrated edges?
Chris Everson,
Bear uses a very simple flint rod to make many of his fires on the series. The trick with any flint is the “tinder”. In the field you have to know how to procure and find the right type of tinder to be able to use a flint match.
This link has a big variety of different types of flints and strikers. Also check out the “Blastmatch” striker as well. http://www.jxmetals.com/sdp/316680/4/cp-1271724.html
The flint & steel method of fire starting, the tinder is burned cotton cloth. You can take an old t-shirt, rip of a square, cook it in the oven in a closed container until the cloth is completely charred. Its very fragile, this is the tinder for flint & steel.
Wyen,
Check out the link to SOG knives to help answer your question.
http://sogknives.com/store/products.html
I did not read the entire forum, but i did find out bear grylls’ knife. It is a “JoeDiverAmerica” titanium dive knife stiletto. This fits all the parts you can see on it, but is a different color. He may have gotten a custom made version.
you can see this knife at this link:
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000KCYG4Y/ref=nosim?s=merchant&m=A1RK6FL1RFLSDM&v=glance&tag=nextag-sports-mp-20&camp=212325&creative=380341
Haha! Mike found it! Other than the handle color – that looks like its the one! And its CHEAP!
I am so glad that I’m not the only only person that absolutly loves this show. Finally a true reality show and not that “survivor” nonsense with a bunch of cry baby drama queens that barely “survive” a day without makeup and a cell phone. I just want to thank bear grylls and everyone thats producing this show. Even if your not a survival junkie like me, it’s real, fun and educational to watch and you just can’t help but to envy tha bear.
Please keep doing the show and this forum.
P.S. The S.O.G. is the best thing since peanut butter. Hands down.
Well done Mike! If you convinced Dan Rice, then Celeste and I are going to have to go with the “JoediverAmerica” stiletto.
Just a note, Bear and crew just returned from Copper Canyon Mexico, I’m looking forward to that episode when it airs…
Good work guys!
To provide input-I just bought the Kershaw Military Boot knife. It’s a solid little back up knife, but not so prone to abuse and strenuous work. I bought the knife mainly as a throwing knife and because it was a solid knife from front to back, but looks can be decieving. I found out that It bends easily under stress and doesn’t have very good tip strength. Generally, it’s not very versatile. It’s only good for like cutting and slicing.
I guarantee that that company has had a huge sales spike in the last hour..
If someone buys the “Joediver” knife, please let everyone know how it performs.
Mike, I haven’t been able to check the pics posted earlier in this forum because flickr is down right now, but if I remember correctly the knife was stainless steel, not titanium, and the blade had a partially serrated cutting edge. Could be wrong, but those two things stuck out at me when looking at the joe diver america knife, other than the handle.
All,
I have been enjoying this thread for a while now. This is by far one of the better discussion regarding MvW. I’m surprised at the number of Bear Grylls naysayers out there. I think they’re missing the spirit of the show, a bit jealous and way too critical of Bear’s each and every move. This thread is positive , informative and constructive.
The knife Mike posted looks identical to the one smilz787 posted back in early January;
http://www.123scuba.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Product_Code=KN80&Affiliate=nextag
I ordered this a few weeks ago and it’s a nice looking knife, but the handle seems to made of cheap plastic. This is a made in China knife that I think any vendor can purchase, then slap a logo on. I have been afraid to club on it like Bear did for fear of having the handle shatter. I know, if I hit the blade I should be O.K. -) Anyway, there are far better suggestions for Survival knives in this thread, so I would recommend looking to one of these rather than the Dive Knife.
I also picked up the Buck Iceman. Not to worry, I’m not going to buy everything Bear uses, or all of the knives listed in this thread. Although there is one more I’m interested in (see below). Anyway, this is a nice knife and I have not been afraid to club on it … and I have. It held up well and kept it’s edge after I cut through a few 2 -3” saplings. I’m still putting it through it’s paces, but so far I really like it. For $26 this is proving to be a good bargain. My only complaint is that sometimes I wish there was more of a serrated edge, or none at all. I think a longer fixed blade would work better as a combo blade.
I have been thinking of purchasing a machete to help clear some walking paths around our property. We live on 2.5 Acres in a heavily wooded area. Also, there is a ~ 3mile path to a local lake behind my neighbor’s house that I volunteered to help keep clear. Again this is heavily wooded, but with a lot more bushes then on my property. I looked at the Dog Father Chopper that Dan posted and this seems like it might be a good fit. I would be interested to hear some thoughts on this.
When reading the above, keep in mind I’m a super novice when it comes to Survival and knives, so take the above for what its worth, … just my opinion.
Thanks for all the info and keep the posts coming. I’m not one for online discussions, but this one has caught my interest.
Thanks,
- Chuck -
Nick & Chuck,
Your both are on the right track…Bears knife is an older model of the JoeDiversAmerica…I’m 99% sure anyway. There’s a good chance will see the knife again on the newer episodes. The one Bear used in Desert Island doesen’t have the Titanium finish like the new model shown on Mikes & Smilz787 comment links. But its the same knife…let the mystery continue.
Chuck,
folding saws are a great addition for pruning trails as well as a good hand snippier-pruner. Wally world carries folding saws at a reasonable price. We use them all the time and they are a main item in our travel packs and vehicle.
I carried mine last winter when I was boating; doing winter steel head research to cut my way through down tree tops as I floated the streams. Check out this beauty from SOG Knives – http://sogknives.com/store/TREV-7.html Its called the Seal Revolver. They make another saw/knife rotator – Hunter Revolver.
I have no idea how these tools do in the field, but a very cool idea. Just a safety reminder to everyone about folding saws in general, the teeth are very aggressive, so if you happen to run the blade over your fingers or hand its a very nasty hamburger type of wound.
One of the big reasons saws and hand pruners are used for this type of work is that if you prune correctly you don’t tear the plant, you cut clean, this helps reduce infection in the shrubs and trees.
Admin,
Thanks for the input. You’re probably right, loppers, clippers, pruning shears and a folding saw are a more practical way to keep the paths clear. I guess I’ll have to think of another reason to pick-up the Dog Father
- Chuck -
Hey Chuck – you don’t need a reason to get a DogFather, just get one! I got mine in the mail the other day, and it is a monster. I don’t know when the next release is going to be, but you should keep an ear open over on the Scrapyard forum – the first release is long since sold out (within a couple days). There is a limited edition model that is going to be coming out shortly, in satin finish, but it’ll cost more.
Hey chuck,
I didn’t mean to take the fire out of you getting your DogFather. Don’t be practical, get the knife!
Now that’s what I like to hear
Thanks,
- Chuck -
i want to thank all of you guys here on trying to identify Bear’s knife and for all the expertise and experience you guys seem to possess about knives in general. I am looking at getting a new knife and I’m now pretty set on the Gerber LMF II. thanks for all the feed back on that. oh and while I’m at it i think all throw in my two cents as well I am POSITIVE that the Hawaii episode and the Savannah episode Bear is using a folding Gerber Gator drop point. I got one as a gift 4 years ago and have to say it is a pretty good knife, its held up fairly well since i got it. i love the handle its very comfortable and the knife hasn’t broken on me yet.
an amendment to my last post ^ i accidentally put drop point down i meant to put clip point thats what he was using and thats the knife ive had for 4 years and have been very satisfied with it…my drop point though is a little hard for me to sharpen but its decent anyways. i also have a clip point with a gut hook but i cant remember ever using it
I’ve determined that the knife Bear uses in the Costa Rica and the Desert Island episodes is an Eagle Little Mo Titanium Dive Knife.
Ron C.
Can I ask you what type pf sharpening system you use on your drop point, and is your drop point stainless steel?
I agree with Ron that Bear’s knife on those two episodes really ooks like the Gerber Gator. I even went out and bought one after work about two weeks ago and it’s amazing. My friends and I are doing alittle camping trip next weekend and I’m looking forward to testing it out.
On a different note, I was in Gander Mountain looking at knives and I saw a fixed knife that they called the “USMC Box Knife” I haven’t been able to find any info on the internet (honestly I haven’t looked very hard though) and I was wondering if anyone has heard of it or knows if its any good.
Mark: Just a suggestion for a knife sharpener – Spyderco Sharpmaker – I just got one after doing a lot of research, and the consensus is that (aside from being an expert at freehand sharpening) this is the most foolproof way to get a razor edge on your knives. I spent about 1 minute per knife and touched them all up to shaving sharp today! Even on my Ontario RAT3 and 7, both of which are in D2 tool steel, which is a hard steel, and generally difficult to sharpen (hardness around 60-61 I believe). About $40 for the system, and contains itself into a nice sized case. Worth a look!
Thanks for the info Dan.
What model Spyderco Sharpmaker did you purchase and why? I checked out their web page, here’s the link for interested folks -
http://spyderco.com/catalog/details.php?product=95
Enjoyed to hear your happy with the system. Is the stand stable enough for sharpening your large RAT3 & 7 knives? Do you have to hold the stand with one hand while you sharpen? The stainless is hard to sharpen. My SOG Bowie is like that.
The Razor Edge system I use have guides you place on the knife to control the correct angle for sharpening. It comes with a course and fine stone system. I have just about worn out the coarse stone, its a bit tricky to sharpen with, but if I’m real careful I can shave with the edge. But like most folks I’m always looking for a quicker better system.
Hey guys-
I have silently observed this thread for some time, love it. Anyway, in addition to being a serious backpacker, I am a bit of a computer nerd. That said, I am working on a website so that we can all (including the admins hopefully) post our top rated gear and backpacking mainstays given certain specified climatic conditions. Clearly there will be lots of room for variability and imagination about a specific trip, but I thought it would be fun for us to see one another’s favorite boots, packs, tents, knives etc. I am programming the user interface now and will let you know where I end up positng it pronto. Start making a list of your favorites! I know its dorky, but we are all obsessed enough to be reading and posting in this forum…
Tim
I’ve got the “Triangle” sharpmaker with the plastic base. I wouldn’t use to completely reprofile a blade, but it does great work for edge maintenance.
You do need to hold the base with your other hand – it has a couple of rods that are positioned to protect your hand if you slipped. I did sharpen my RAT7 and Ranger RD7 and didn’t find that they were too big. It did an excellent job on the RAT3 though – almost factory sharp after just a couple of minutes.
I haven’t used the Razor Edge before. My last “system” had a blade clamp and a guide – I didn’t like it at all. The sharpmaker does good work, IMO. Definately worth a look!
It would be interesting to know exactly what bear wears and uses on his expeditions. Can Discovery not break-down that information? He does use different knives in different episodes. He seems to wear a similar shirt regardless of his locale which actually interests me more. And we’ve all seen episode after episode of Bear getting soaking wet in extreme conditions and then wringing out and quickly drying his apparel. I’m most interested to know what brand and model shirt and also pants he uses.
I see the administrator mentioned Tom Brown, one of my heroes. I’ve read and studied Tom Brown for almost 20 years, among other survival experts. I would like to see Bear employ some tracking techniques in an episode and also on setting traps. Using the Tuba plant to stun the fish was easily the most fascinating part of any episode I’ve seen, give us more.
For the player haters out there who question the viability of Bear’s techniques (or those he gleans from experts in preparation for an episode), chill out. Bears enthusiasm and upbeat demeanor are undeniable (and entertaining) and also the most important aspect of survival. Your negativity is precisely the failure point for people facing survival situations.
Looking forward to more episodes.
Tim & Larry,
This is Mark. Otherwise known as Admin.
Looking forward to view your site on favorite backpacking gear when you have it up, and thanks for writing your comment.
Larry,
I agree that getting some tracking time in would be awesome. I pushed for that in the Sierra episode, along with snares, we just couldn’t fit it all in.
Hey Dan, Thanks! I’m going to definitely research the sharpmaker.
A similar comment/question to Larry’s above–I was wondering about what kind of material Bear’s socks are made of since a number of his episodes show him constantly getting his feet wet. I would think it would be really hard to not tear up your feet while hiking like that.
He wears Merrell boots which have alot of mesh and would therefore his feet would dry much faster regardless of the material of the socks
Bear mentioned on his Everest team blog that he is working on his “own” knife:
http://www.gknmissioneverest.com/activezone/teamblogs.asp
I saw that he also posted a link to a new survival training company he must be associated with in Australia:
http://www.stayingalive.com.au/
They have a store but no products yet. I suspect soon they will offer many items similar to what he uses on the show.
I’m really curious to know what type of videocamera he personally uses on the show–he puts it through the paces big-time!
Of all the knives mentioned, which one has a good, easy-to-use leg sheath? I have struggled to find one online, and I even went to a big “gun and knife” show and dealers I asked looked at me like I was from Pluto.
I want something highly useful that can be worn under the pants leg.
All the knifes mentioned are OK for this bushcraft survival kind of thing, but the Woodlore knife used by ray mears stands out from the rest. It is very high carbon and can be sharpened easily and comes with an excelent leather sheath. Canny expencive though. Try looking on the ray mears web site.
Amazing show and amazing website, so my hat is off to you for having such a resourceful site. I was wondering if anyone knew the knife Bear uses in episode 4 when he is on Mount Kilauea? I do not know a lot about knives but from the ones I have seen it looks a lot like the gerber gator II, is this correct? Has anyone had any experience with this knife? and could include some useful info?
Can’t someone just get in direct contact with Bear on the knives used on each episode? I would like to know too, but from the horse’s mouth, although the research and speculation is lots of fun!
Does anyone know exactly how bear attaches his water bottle to himself? Sometimes it looks like it’s attached to his belt, and other times it seems to be tied. I can’t figure out how he’s keeping the handles from flopping around. I just boght the same water bottle w/ the crusader cup for boiling water but it has no simple means of attaching it. Bear seems to us some type of rubber casing to secure the handles and to hold down the rope. Anyone have any suggestions ?
Jeff,
I think Bear enjoys the speculation as well. No, Discovery is not going to give us a list of the knives…or will they? We will have to wait and see.
Thank you all for your comments, we really enjoy hearing from you and appreciate all your input on this thread. Keep it up!
Norman,
Bear attaches his crusader several different ways. Sometimes he uses duck tape as well as a cord to his belt. When your jumping out of a airplane you better have your water supply tied down!
I like reading about all the personal knife reviews. Has anyone used or considered the Benchmade Nimravus?
Hey, this bear makes wathcing channel 4 worth it. Amzing to see surviving is so easy… sitting on my couch in a heated room. How about Bear show us how to survive on a small resque boat in the middel of the atlantic – bite the head off a shark for us Bear! This exiting show urges me to get lost, but some advise Mr Bear, invest in a Leatherman!
Good work with picking up on the Merrell chameleon wrap stretch gore-tex XCR shoe that Bear wears, i’m interested in buying the boots he wears in the escape from the Alps episode – can anyone help with a name adn retailer of these boots?
Thannks.
Larry: You might check out Underarmor shirts (and shorts, underwear, they make a lot of stuff) – thats what a lot of guys in the military are wearing – it wicks, and dries fast – I don’t know if thats what Bear is wearing, but I’m sure it would interest you. I wore mine under my BDU’s in the summer and winter – worked well for both seasons.
i was wondering if you could get any of these programs on dvd or video?
i would love to buy them so i can rewatch them.
if anyone knows of anywhere they are available then could you please contacts me.
its the navy mk3 combat knife im positive ive done alot of research
Nice try ryatt. Not the mk3…keep trying.
I know the knife used on the everglades episode is a Buck Zipper with the rubber handle, only because i have a buck vanguard an recognised the style.
In the alps episode it is a locking swiss army rucksack or work champ however it looked like it had a partially serrated blade…which you cant get that easilly.
Jungle…i have no idea, only saw it once and it seems to be some military type
South pacific….i’ll find out soon enough, its an extremely distinctive diving knife with non mechanical clip into the scabbard
Sorry the alps knife is a wenger, serrated mountaneer
This is were I got my Wenger Serrated Mountaneer here for good price and free shipping.
http://www.opticsgiant.com/wesemokn1.html
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Lindsay Fergusson: the answer to Bear Grylls South Pacific knife is here on this thread.
I’m not a big fan of folding knives generally for hard work, but I have had the opportunity to try the SOG Flash II out recently and love the knife. You have to check it out http://www.sogknives.com
The knife has a sturdy clip that allows me to attach the folded knife deep inside of my pants pocket which if the knife should somehow loose itself free, it would still be in my pocket and by sliding the knife clip completely down it insures comfort in a sitting position.
The Flash II has a great grip for good thumb and index finger stability. The clip is in the way some, but I haven’t noticed it being hard on my hands yet, of course the big thing about the Flash is the quick release capability of the blade.
Its Fast and very Cool!!! The old switch blade comes to mind, but a much sturdier knife. The Flash II two has two safety locking mechanisms that are not complicated to set or release…a couple of quick movements of the thumb and you have the blade out ready to work.
I haven’t had the opportunity to work this knife real hard as yet but will keep all up-dated as I use it. Almost forgot to mention the blade…its a super design, and the hinge system is tight not much back and forth play.
Have to say I love the knife!
A question about purifying water in the wilderness. On Bear’s Moab desert adventure, when found the water pool that had a dead squirrel floating in it, he decided not to drink the water b/c it would most likely make him sick. Could he have boiled that water long enough to kill the contaminants in it? Or is stagnant water like that bad for you no matter how long you boil it?
Sorry about that, I missed the “he” of “when he found the water…”
Excellent question Rick H.
The keyword here is pool not stream, lake, or creek. What I mean by this is that the squirrel is decomposing in a “pool” of water, which could very possibly make the water smell putrid…the gag effect, concentrated. Not the ideal place to collect water.
However, yes you could utilize the water by – this is what I would do. Prefilter the water through grass, or a cloth…whatever I had available for a filter. Then I would boil it for 5 full minutes to rid the water of any lingering bacteria.
Cautiously sniff the water for any lingering smell, pour the water back and forth between two containers to oxygenate – for a better taste. Let it cool, maybe throw in a few pine needle sprigs for taste and cheerfully drink away!
No worries, the heat by boiling kills the nasty guys -bacteria. Boiling will not disperse oil, petroleum, gasoline, diesel, lawn chemicals, or radiation.
It was early April many years ago, and as a young lad I was prone to wander the hills when I could get away. One beautiful spring day I was drawn into the hills.
I followed a beautiful stream up the steep country towards the summit of the ride. The water made a lovely sound and sang to me as I hiked alongside.
Finally parched I stooped and took a long pull of the delicious water quenching my thirst readily from the swift moving clear stream.
Hiking not much further upstream I came upon the corpse of a dead Sheep completely immersed in the stream I had not just 5 minutes earlier strongly drank from. Needles to say, I wasn’t particularly happy of having drunk of the rotting sheep.
Happily I survived drinking the water. The reason I was not sick nor encountered a foul taste or stench from this bubbly singing stream when I drank from its waters, was that these types of water courses clean themselves of this type of bacteria through a filtering effect of sand, and cobble every 50′ feet or so.
Unhappily though, STREAMS do NOT FILTER GIARDIA or OTHER NASTY LITTLE ANIMALS THAT MAKE US QUITE ILL!
Always filter or boil your water nowadays – always sad to say.
Thanks for the response Mark!
Hi Guys
I don’t know if this thread still has any viewers?
I am very interested in the knife Bear is using. In the UK the series is called Born Survivor. I to am sure its a diving knife and whilst researching I came across a knife called an Orca.
The blade looks very similer especially what apears to be a flattened bit from the point of the tip to the begining of the upper serrated edge. Also the cord cutting notch is on the upper side of the blade. I don’t know about the handle? I think the sheath may match.
What do you think?
Kevin I had to remove the bad link. Thanks. Mark
Damn the Orca knife looked so good I bought one on e-bay, brand new and it cost £11.20. I think that may work out to about 6 or 7 dollars.
If it isn’t the illusive bear knife its a sound investment.
pretty interesting comments about the knife bear uses… i was wondering tho if anyone ever caught the other survivor show on discovery channel, some guy who would also strand himself but i think he took his cameras with him; so no camera crew at all, just him taping himself… i forget the name of it tho, if anyone knows of it or when it airs
The name of that show is Survivor Man.
I recently was speaking with a friend of mine, Chris, who had a very good quote regarding survival knives. I won’t do it justice, but this is the gist of what we said. “The best survival knife is the one you happen have with you at the time!”
Chris makes a good point here. And thats the point I think Bear makes in Man Vs Wild with the variety of knives he uses in the series. Though we all have our favorite knives for our own particular reasons.
(I am partial to SOGs) On my survival knife article http://www.lifesongadventures.com/newsletter/?p=9
“Crash speaks some on Tom Browns Tracker Knife, which he calls a “machine’.
For crash it may be a machine, it is a good knife – good for chopping anyway, again we all have our preference’s. A good knife has a lot to do with the ability of the user to apply it to task.
Kevin R. The Orcas is very similar to the one Bear uses in the Born Survivor series, but its not it. The one he did use is in the comments section here.
I’ve been hunting around. Someone earlier mentioned they like the LMF II because of it’s integrated sharpener? There this knife:
http://www.knivesplus.com/crkt-m60-cr-m6014pk.html
The blade’s not the 1/4 inch that you’d want in thickness, but it’s sheath can also hold a leatherman, another knife, or a stone (or whatever else). It’s also got a velcro / button belt loop AND two leg straps (removable). It can attach anywhere, upside down, however.
Looks versatile, and it’s a strong metal. I was considering it, but now I’m considering a toss up of either:
Ka-Bar Warthog (1/4 inch blade thickness, plus a wide blade for more power) http://www.outdoorsuperstore.com/product.asp?prod=276408&cm_mmc=comparisonshopping-_-froogle-_-all-_-276408
or it’s little brother the Impact warthog http://www.fernknives.com/ka-bar/impact-warthog/198/index.html
LMF II Asek Infantry (same as ASEK, only it’s got two leg straps) http://www.lapolicegear.com/lmfiiasek.html
Seal Pup Elite (self – explanatory) http://www.elinemerchandising.com/SOG%20Seal%20Pup%20Elite.html
If anyone’s got anything to say for or against, let me know. But as far as a survival knife goes, the lighter Ka-Bar Impact Warthog has the hard and sturdy blade with a smaller size. I don’t own any of these, but when I get one (hopefully soon) I’ll be sure to write a full review.
Hi Mark
Thanks for coming back on that one. You mention in your reply that the knife has been mentioned? Which one was it?
Thanks
Okay Kev R, here you go.
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000KCYG4Y/ref=nosim?s=merchant&m=A1RK6FL1RFLSDM&v=glance&tag=nextag-sports-mp-20&camp=212325&creative=380341
Bears model is a little older, and well used, than this one in the picture. The Orca Knife that you showed in the link looks very close and looks to be a fine knife to. Bear doesn’t neccasairaly use the best knife for the situation on his show, which is a cool idea I think.
Let me know what you think Kev R. and thanks for the post’s!
Hi Mark
Well the guessing is over then. But what a fantastic thread of discussion, and the knowledge here is outstanding. I have never experienced such a dynamic of bringing like minded together to solve a problem. Shall we volunteer our services to the United Nations
. I would feel very comfortable in a survival situation with all or any of the the guys on this thread.
I received the Orca today and I have to say I am blown away by the sheer beauty of craftmanship that’s gone into this tool. The incredibly low price I paid is also making this blade attractive. The knife is razor sharp and the sawback very effective.
Until Bear showed up on this series I never thought about using a dive knife as a primary survival tool. Shows how he’s opened up new ways of thinking outside the box (for me anyway).
But I have learned so much by being a part of this community. Knives are viewed with trepidation in this country and I truly envy the freedom you have in the US to use the knife as the tool it is.
I hope there will be more discussions in the future.
I’ve seen a couple posts in regards to SOG knives, and one even in regards to the Revolver. I have the SEAL Revolver and is my everyday hiker blade but here is a link to a great review done of the Hunter Revolver over at the blade forums, in fact it had a huge influence on my decision to buy one in the first place.
http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=354507&highlight=sog+revolver
Thanks mgb for your comments on the SOG Revolver.
Its a great idea.
We use folding hand saws when were out doing our wildlife surveys. Cutting our way through small down trees across roads is our main use. I’m looking forward to trying out the Hunter Revelover one of these days.
When Dave D. from SOG Knives touched up my SOG Bowie and redid the handle for me, he suggested the Revolver to me.
By the way, you all have to check out the SOG folder Flash II if you haven’t yet, I just can’t get over how cool this medium size pocket knife is.
I’m waiting to hear if Dan Rice has anything to say about the Flash II, though I think he’s still to enamored with his Dogfather
Kev R,
Thanks for the kind words. All I’m sure appreciate them. Glad your happy with your Orca and thanks for letting us know about the knife. Bear will have many more episodes with many more knives for us to figure out I’m sure. His next adventure, sometime next month I think, Bear Grylls is flying with a buddy over the summit of Everest in a motorized hang glider? Anyway, wow.
If I was even tangentially involved in with antics “Bear” Gryyls is doing on that man vs. wild I wouldn’t want to advertise it. It isn’t survival and it isn’t even entertaining television, it’s pathetic and quite disturbing.
If people actually attempt some of the “survival tips” he advocates they will die. Frankly he’s made himself into a laughingstock among those who know better but the tragedy is some of his lunatic exploits may get some uninformed individual killed if they attempt to make use of them in an actual survival situation. Why? Because “Bear” Gryyls is telling them incorrect information and doing ridiculous stunts on TV through his ignorance or just to look Xtreme. Well, dandy. “Bear” Gryyls and whoever is advising him and producing this drek is showing people who don’t know any better Xciting and Xtreme ways to die.
At the very least they should run a disclaimer crawl on the screen during the entire program stating this is purely for entertainment and the guy running around doesn’t know anything and to ignore everything thing he says and the show is to be regarded only for its comedic value.
Andrew H
Thanks for your post. Some folks feel like you do that Bear Grylls is promoting and advocating dangerous survival techniques. Some of the other forums about the show call Bear all kinds of names, accuse him of much and look with disdain at everything he does.
When I consulted for Phil Keougans “Adventure Crazy” that aired on the Travel Channel, lots of folks had opinions about me doing that as well. Things like I was selling out, pathetic, its a stupid show all-that stuff.
http://www.philkeoghan.com/ The episode I was on is called ‘Showgirls in the Desert.’ If you click on Phil’s link, you will see the Showgirls all covered in mud, thats me where Phil cut most of my face out of the picture with the girls – behind Stephanie, the brunette.
The things we consultants have to put up with.
Andrew H. do you recall aron Ralston, the adventuresome young guy who had to cut his arm off when it became pinned by a slab of rock?
http://climb-utah.com/Roost/bluejohn2.htm
I when in my early twenty’s had to down climb 80′ of nearly vertical granite at an elevation of over 11,000 ft in January after sumiting a peak. I had made the critical mistake and found myself stuck between life or death. Mastering the self along with my skill of climbing allowed me to survive that day.
I helped rescue a fellow in the upper Merced river in Yosemite park who had fallen in the swift moving stream but was lucky enough to pull himself up onto a boulder, he should have been dead!
I cannot speak to the other shows in the Man Vs Wild series, however the two that I worked on we shared survival techniques that really work, the same techniques I teach in my courses here in the states.
A very effective survival tool is a throwing stick or Rabbit stick as they are also called. I have had people state on this forum that the throwing stick is not a viable survival technique. That’s why I’m available to teach folks about survival, there are lots of myths out there and lots of truths people consider myths.
There are many people who believe you cannot make fire by rubbing two sticks together. if you come to my First Circle Camp you’ll learn how.
http://www.lifesongadventures.com/newsletter/?p=61
I was just thinking about the Desert Island scene where Bear is climbing up out of the Ocean after finding a water container. The rock was nasty and loose. I had found myself in the same situation on some cliffs on the Lost Coast of California while I was exploring for a route around a bluff.
The rock here was very bad and loose as well. I had to dig foot holds and hand holds to keep from sliding down the slopes. Anyway I digress here.
Your right when you say that Man Vs Wild is TV entertainment you are absolutely correct.
Mark i also have a Flash 1 in aluminum, the Flash 2′s little brother. It really is a great knife. I personally EDC the Trident for its weight and I really like the groove functionality. If you like SOG’s like I do, you should check out their site, they have a new folder coming soon called the Vulcan. Looks to be built like a tank with their awesome arc-lock and VG-10 steel.
Cheers!
Andrew H here’s a survival tip for you.
1. Pick up your remote control.
2. Choose the button to change channel and press.
3. You are now safe. You have survived. You cannot be influenced, irritated or misinformed by Bear Grylls.
Everyone who has contributed an opinion has done so in an informed way. Perhaps you need to re-visit some of the skills Bear demonstates in the show. An example of which is lighting a fire by friction with the sweat dripping onto your ember (Desert Island episode). I would much prefer to see anyone overcome a ludicrously simple problem instead of demonstrating the perfect technique.
And yes it is a show designed to entertain. And Bear takes risks. But I have a little knowledge of SAS survival training and its not designed to be pretty, only effective in an extreme situation.
No doubt we all want to be wannabe survival guru’s and as I’ve said earlier I would trust the guys on this thread in a survival situation. However until it happens we don’t know how we would react. All Bear is demonstrating is the fragility of our bodies when it comes up against Mother Nature. And perhaps extreme techniques will be our only option. So I for one congratulate Bear on removing the safety net most Survival shows cast around the “expert” and truly show what we might encounter for real.
Apologies for the sarcasm, but you are no doubt a big enough guy to appreciate there is no malice behind the delivery.
sure looks like bear grylls using a floatation device under that hooded top going down the river.& how did he get the fire going so fast after coming out of it?think ill stick to ray mears
For folks who are interested in the watch bear wears check out their website here – http://www.bremont.com/
Kev R,
Appreciate your comments.
Ed Clarke, the website you left with us about the knives – ? Maybe you could help us a bit more with the site address.
Thanks.
Just for people looking for a good survival knife i bought my girlfriend a cold steel (cant remember the name) for about 30$ (was great deal) and the blade holds a razor edge and is beyond reliable. I do a bit of hunting and backpacking along with scuba and snorkeling and i have a Boker Beluga which i swear by. Has the seration on the bottom and has a thick top for hammering which i preffer to something with serations on the top which you end up hitting when you try to hammer on the blade from the top. Also its a larger knife but comes with a very nice sheath and leg straps along with the handle being drilled with holes to reduce weight. http://www.knifeoutlet.com/shop/10Expand.asp?ProductCode=BOK591
The one i have has a black flat finish so no shine to atract hungry things underwater. More expensive knife but on anything my life might depend i would rather pay the extra than wish i had. I havnt had to survive with the knife but i wouldnt want any other knife on me if i had to. On a seperate note i carry a kershaw pocket knife along with my boker in the woods and to be honest a small pocket knife is far more practical for skinning animals and cutting up food to cook and taking out splinters ect. The extra weight of a spare knife doesnt bother me and having redundancies for things you need doesnt hurt. (matches and a flint as an example)
how come the florida episode never aired?
it did in europe, but over there the show is called born survivor, not man vs. wild
i just watched it, he’s in the swamp with gators and such. its a good one. i always learn something watching this show.
i got my episode here:
http://www.torrentspy.com/torrent/1106015/Born_Survivor_Bear_Grylls_S01E03_NOT_man_vs_wild
Hi
I heard a live interview on BBC Radio One with Bear and he’s already finished shooting the next series of Born Survivor/Man v Wild and is planning a third.
Thought you’d like to know
Not sure if you guys have seen this yet but bear tells you what knife he uses on his website. I think hes had it specially made and is similar to the one used in the SAS.
Anyway check it out, sorry cant remember the name but its on his homepage. great site btw, thanks
Andy
Hey
I visited Bear Grylls web page where i discovered that he has designed his own knife for extreme survival, very strong, long lasting blade… well just see for your self at http://www.beargrylls.com
charlie.
His knife is a SOG. This is the knife British forces (including special forces) use. It has a textured rubber grip and comes in all styles but mostly one half serrated side and one full sraight edge side. Hope this helps. Comments to my email are welcome.
Hi Edwin,
Which episode of Man Vs Wild did you see the SOG knife used?
Why does the knife that he has “teamed up” with Bayley Knife not have serrations?
Here’s the link to Bears new blog. http://beargrylls.blogspot.com/
Well done Bear!
Its a nice looking knife, nice and compact with a strong blade and solid back. I’m partial to strong backs on knives because I use them with a mallet frequently for taking wood off quickly – saves the arm.
The link to Bayelys knife – http://www.bayleyknife.com
Morgan.
Serrated edges on knives can be really useful for specific cutting. A lot of tactical knives are serrated and are used by the military to cut themselves free of things like heavy strapping, seat belts, in vehicles or choppers, cutting or stripping wire and many other uses, which serrated knives do very well.
Serrated knives are difficult to sharpen in the field though they generally stay sharp for a long time. Anybody ever sharpen a serrated knife by hand?
What kind of shoes is Bear wearing in the Pacific Ocean episode? They are black and I was think they are North Face but I wasnt sure.
Hey Landon,
to find about the Desert Island episode shoes, check out the link here -
http://www.lifesongadventures.com/newsletter/?cat=21
Thanks for the question.
Of course, it you go onto http://www.bayleyknife.com and click Bear Grylls. It is £350. The best knife around IMO.
Ed
Thanks Ed Clarke for the link on Bears Bayley Knife.
It looks to be a strong knife which is about time bear had a decent knife, compared to most knives Bear has been using on the series. Though I’ve only seen the first series.
The double lanyard holes are a interesting touch on the knife. A little para cord wrapping, a stout staff and you have a ‘quick spear.” Great looking knife though, like the design very much. Again I like the strong back knives for heavy work, important to my uses for a survival knife.
Would love to try the Bayleys out sometime.
I have been working a ‘Quick Bow’ – survival bow, out of a stave of wild Rhododendron using my new SOG Seal Pup.
The Sog Pup is light in weight compared to my SOG Bowie, (Light weight knives are great for backpacking!) so in making my Quick Bow I have to utilize a wooden mallet I made of the same wood to take wood off quickly…I use the mallet to pound on the back of knife as I worry the wood off the stave.
I have been taking pictures of the process and hope to eventually have them up here on my site for your viewing pleasure. The more I use the Sog Seal Pup the more I like it.
Check the Sog Seal Pup out here at http://www.sogknives.com
I have a Seal Pup as well. I was asking why it was not serrated because for 350 bloody euros I expect a bit more out of a knife. I honestly believe that he was pressured by numerous knife manufacturers to endorse their knives, and Bayley had the best offer.
Even if that isn’t the case, it is unfortunate that he would endorse a knife that costs an arm and a leg. Bear himself stated “it’s not about brands, it’s what you know.” He also said that climbing shouldn’t be an expensive hobby which confuses me further.
Bear seems like a decent enough guy, I just hope money doesn’t go to his head.
Not sure if it’s been clarified yet…way too much reading, but the shoes Bear wears most of the time is Merrell Chameleon II. I have two pair, one which is almost like a sandle, and they are the best hiking/backpacking shoe that I’ve ever wore. Super comfortable and almost indestructible.
I also have the SOG seal 2000 as well as the Seal Pup. I would recommend either for durability, edge holding ability, and its ability to withstand rust, although the 2000 is much more knife than I recommend for outdoor excursions. A little too bulky.
I am interested in getting a knife and was looking at the Ontario RAT-3. Anyone have it or know about it. Any info would be appreciated. Thank you.
Morgan,
Bears Bayley is priced very high I agree. I was reading some on Bayleys site about how they make their knives and I see that their production volume is limited, hence I’m guessing here, one of the reasons Bears knife costs what it does.
Check out this link on SOG knives. This fellow from Louisiana makes knives, but his production is very small and highly specialized – http://www.sogknives.com/news/reggiebarker.php
Click on the Reggie Barker link – Border Guard Forge.
It was called Born Survivor in the Uk and I got the acompanying book, neither detailed the knives. The water bottle is as posted a British Military Type 58 the stainless steel mug comes separate. If anyone’s interested they also make a DPM pouch for it which will hold a hexalite folding mini cooker. I can find the webiste in the UK and list if required (prices around $25 for the mug $12 for the canteen and $35 for the pouch in the UK plus mailing costs)
I want the details on the knives used, the one in the Alps was a Victorinox folder, and I think the one is Costa Rica may have been a Gil Hibben United Cutlery Alaskan Hunter/Guide with a gut hook. I just got one of the Pro Hunters as a pack knife. It has no serrations but the blade is only one side so it’s safer when handling at night, and the handle is finger grooved they list around $85 but are much cheaper on ebay also the scabbard/sheath is thick hide. another advantage is the blade which around 5 inch long but 3/16 thick, few knives are this thick.
Also the knife in Copper Canyon I think was a SOG but I don’t know which. I own a mini Pentagon which is excellent until I took it to the Sumatran Rain Forest where it was pretty much useless. Choose a pack knife to suit your environment. Basic rule blade should be on one side and no more than 12mm long. Always tie it to a length of good cord, about 1m 1.1 yards.
There is plenty of info on contents of survival kits and put your own together but make sure you know how to use the stuff in it. Bear made using a flint and steel look easy, it requires practice, better do that in your backyard then when it becomes essential. Tip one of best things to use to start a fire is a tampon, steal one or two from your wife or girlfriend or buy the cheap ones, they burn real well if you open them up, also they are sterile, wrapped and great for use on wounds if you’ve cut yourself with the new knife you got on ebay first time in the woods.
Bracket fungi the ones that grow on the side of trees burn well, as embers for lighting other fires and are not poisonous.
I didn’t read all of those posts but I do want to respond to the discussion on the Pacific Crest trail and how easy it is to follow. I hiked 2,300 miles of the Pacific Crest Trail two years ago, so I do know what I am talking about.
It is a very easy trail to follow, especially when there is no snow. I would strongly advise against this, but I know several people who hiked the entire trail and didn’t use a map. I can only recall a few places where there was a little bit of confusion on where the trail was going, but after looking around for a minute it was easy to figure it out. It would be pretty hard to confuse the PCT with a game trail. There is a huge difference between the two. On the PCT you can see where switchbacks and trail improvements have been made. Game trails don’t have that.
The administrator mentioned a few situations where someone had gotten lost when hiking on trail. There are always going to be a few exceptions to a rule, but in general it is pretty easy to find your way back to civilization by following hiking trails, especially if you have a lot of experience in the outdoors.
If you were completely lost and you were following Bears rule of going downhill until you get back to civilization, it would be very foolish to cross over well maintained trails which are quite common in the Sierra Nevadas.
Thanks for your post Jeremiah!
Fantastic that you hiked the PCT, 2,300 miles – awesome! Are you ready for the British Columbia to Alaska hike? I am, would love to take a season off.
Our point here Jeremiah on whatever trail your hiking, where ever you happen to be in this incredible world, do not assume that because its a trail its going to take you someplace safe.
That’s why its important like you say – a map is a good thing to carry with you. If your running out of food, the right trail to the nearest road that takes you to the closest store is always a plus for me.
I little bit of research about folks who have become lost shows us that even the best can become turned around in well marked wilderness or state park locations. And most often its folks who don’t have the experience of the outdoors, but not limited to inexperienced hikers only.
I tracked a women in Yosemite back in the 90′s who actually became lost very close to the Badger Pass road. She became disoriented and panicked, crossed over the main trail that takes you to Dewey point. She ended up drowning in Bridalveil Creek.
People do lots of things that seem, after the fact hard to understand why they made a particular decision. The PCT like you say, is a freeway, and you could no doubt hike most of the trail with your eyes closed, it must have been an amazing experience. What was your favorite part of the Pacific Crest Trail if you have one?
Our Shasta Camp location is just a ridge over from the PCT, near MT Eddy, in the Klamath range.
Mark – Admin
Thanks again Jeremiah.
My son hikes using a Cold Steel Bushman which is simple cheap and idiot proof disavantage in the cold or wet as the steel handle he’s getting a SOG Trident as #1 pack knife wtih the other as backup.
Here’s the link to the type 58 bottle there are other suppliers and I don’t know what international carriage rates are UK is £4.99
http://www.surplusandoutdoors.com
Hi Gary,
An idea with the steel handle for the Bushman is to wrap the handle with para cord or something similar for hand comfort and have the handle cord available for an emergency. Needs a sharp knot to hold it together though. I’ll check out the SOG Trident.
Thanks Gary.
I stumbled upon this site quite by accident. I have read a fair amount of what has been written here but not all of it.
What I am about to say is not meant to insult or demean anyone. The moderator of this site may well decide to toss my comments, which matters not at all as I will not be returning here. But I think that it is important that I say what I think so that I will have done all that I can do to help each and every one you “get it”.
I would suggest that everybody who reads this newsletter get themselves a copy of Cody Lundin’s “98.6, How to Keep Your Ass Alive”. It is the only survival book worth a damn that I have ever read (and the only one I will ever recommend) because it starts at what is essentially the beginning and the end of survival, which is core body temperature management. What knife, what umbrella, what underwear…all this other stuff is just a pile to be sifted through by television-watching couch potatoes.
If your idea of fun is to be out in desert or high-country or other respectable wilderness twenty or more miles from a road, alone, at night, without a GPS or a cell phone come hell or high water and you want it to continue to be fun then you should get some real survival training and I for one believe that you should start with Lundin’s book.
It’s like Cody says “Survial SUCKS! I don’t want to survive, I want to LIVE!” You do that with your head, which has absolutely nothing to do with the brand of fixed or folding knife you carry.
And here is the main point I want to make: This television “virtual experience” nonsense is dangerous. Endorsing the “Survivor Man” mentality just makes more work for Search and Rescue and I know because I’ve been the one who, too many times, has had to bag the body of some enthusiastic idiot who thought that equipment, not intellect and emotional control, would be sufficient to support his breathing habit.
Dont’ be the next idiot.
Good luck to you all.
Ben
I really have appreciated reading the above and have learned a lot. I came in here in hopes of learning what watch Bear wears? I just watched the African episopde again and the watch he wore had what appeared to be a bright green face. The watch company he is testing for does not have a similar model on their website. Further up in this thread, I read that someone thought he wore a Breitling; maybe so, but I am skeptical that is correct since they are known for aviation watches. What kind of watch does he wear?
Thanks, Scott
Scott,
Thanks for the kind words. As far as we know Bears watch is a Breitling – an aviation watch.
Thanks for your question.
Going back over the posts. in January the Admin mentioned Meningitis can be contracted as water borne. I deal with bacterial meningitis and gut infections for a living. The main organisms of bacterial meningits are usually found in the respiratory tract and passed person to person. However Salmonella, E.coli (o157) Vibrio (Cholera and the shell fish associated V parahaemolyticus) and water borne. Commonest cause of gut disturbance is replacing the normal flora with local flora can be just as damaging. Dysentery, food poisoning Cholera etc can all be picked up from contaminated water the best advice is boil it as that kills all bacteria and parasites. Giardia is not new it’s known as “Beaver Fever” and is a protozoan which causes major, politely, gastric unrest, it usually takes more than one course of antibiotics to kill it also the drug used means you cant’s have a brew and or chaser without being even more ill. Be as careful with water as you should be with food. Boilling is best, you can add permanganate or a chlorine tablet, permanganate can also be used to treat fungal infections, add if mixed with anti freeze will create a fire.
Treat it with care!
I’ve upgraded my pack knife as I stated earlier but I still have the Schrade Bear Paw folder which served me for over twenty years camping throughout Europe winter and summer and at one point at -30. Also the big Smith and Wesson Bowie but that’s too big as a hiking knife.
The Leatherman PSTII is my preferrred Multitool, but I still carry and use a Swiss Army Knife every day for a variety and if anyone out there wears glasses or shades get the optional screwdriver which screws down the corkscrew as it really works on the little screws on glasses (spectacles) and shades.
Being prepared for what we hope never happens makes us better, get the stuff but learn how to use it.
Gary
Gary appreciate all the information on polluted water and your knives.
Regarding the Meningitis episode, we narrowed her infection down to a stream that contained high amounts of dairy cattle fecal matter. Is there a possibility at all that she became infected with Meningitis by inadvertently ingesting a very small amount of this water?
Greetings Mr. Waller,
Ben Waller Says:
May 6th, 2007 at 8:04 pm e
I stumbled upon this site quite by accident. I have read a fair amount of what has been written here but not all of it.
What I am about to say is not meant to insult or demean anyone. The moderator of this site may well decide to toss my comments, which matters not at all as I will not be returning here. But I think that it is important that I say what I think so that I will have done all that I can do to help each and every one you “get it”.
Answer:
“It would be difficult, indeed, if we tossed your comments for you to help anyone “get it”. Unfortunately if you do not return to the site, you will never know what response is given. We feel what you have to say is important and we believe most of the individuals who comment here are aware of the dangers encountered and are determined to keep their outings safe and fun.”
I would suggest that everybody who reads this newsletter get themselves a copy of Cody Lundin’s “98.6, How to Keep Your Ass Alive”. It is the only survival book worth a damn that I have ever read (and the only one I will ever recommend) because it starts at what is essentially the beginning and the end of survival, which is core body temperature management. What knife, what umbrella, what underwear…all this other stuff is just a pile to be sifted through by television-watching couch potatoes.
Answer:
“There are many books published on the art of survival and have valuable information to be gleaned. We still feel participating in a class and learning hands on is far superior to attempting to understand survival techniques from a book.
As for the TV watching couch potatoes, there is valuable and sound information as well as entertainment to be found through this venue, just as there is good and poor information contained in books and good survival instruction and poor. It behooves everyone wanting to know how to survive to learn as much as possible from valuable sources about proper clothing, footwear, and equipment.”
If your idea of fun is to be out in desert or high-country or other respectable wilderness twenty or more miles from a road, alone, at night, without a GPS or a cell phone come hell or high water and you want it to continue to be fun then you should get some real survival training and I for one believe that you should start with Lundin’s book.
Answer:
“When a person(s) go into any wilderness landscape, I believe it is meant to be fun, challenging, spiritually renewing or it may have some other personal meaning. For whatever reason, individuals who interact in these types of forums are searching for ways to make their journey safer and more rewarding.” Frankly I’m tired of the importance placed on cell phones and GPS units. I work in the wilderness and neither of these products is helpful when cell phones are out of range and you are stuck in dense timber with a GPS unit. (A more reliable and valuable tool is the compass if you know how to use it.) We teach primitive survival skills for this reason….you cannot rely on many modern techniques to get you out of a serious situation.
It’s like Cody says “Survial SUCKS! I don’t want to survive, I want to LIVE!” You do that with your head, which has absolutely nothing to do with the brand of fixed or folding knife you carry.
Answer:
“You are correct when you say survival is mental. It would be very remiss of us, if we took people into the wilderness naked with no equipment and expected them to survive, which is really what you are suggesting. It is important to discuss survival equipment and smart to know what equipment is likely to help you keep that core temperature at 98.6 degrees. No one I know thinks survival is fun when their life is at stake.
Most people are looking for enjoyable and safe experiences when they choose to enter unknown landscapes. This is why we discuss proper equipment, clothing, etc. for anyone wanting a wilderness experience. But, that is only 25% of what we teach, the rest is mental, emotional and physical preparation.”
And here is the main point I want to make: This television “virtual experience” nonsense is dangerous. Endorsing the “Survivor Man” mentality just makes more work for Search and Rescue and I know because I’ve been the one who, too many times, has had to bag the body of some enthusiastic idiot who thought that equipment, not intellect and emotional control, would be sufficient to support his breathing habit.
Answer:
“Again in some cases television can give the wrong information as can books. We cannot control what people watch on television, but we can give proper instruction to those who ask questions in this forum and possibly dispel any improper information. There will always be those who believe they are indestructible and make more work for Search and Rescue even if they read Mr. Lundin’s book. We can only hope through information that they will be helped in some way. Having a well made knife or remembering what Bear Grylls says about safe drinking water could very well tip the balance of survival in their favor. Information is mental and gives a person a reason to keep trying.
Your association with Search and Rescue sounds painful for you. For that I am sorry, but people as yourself will always be needed to help those who find themselves in an unexpected survival situation. As survival experts, we too have been called on to track missing individuals and it is most disturbing to locate a person in a deceased state. Which is why we teach survival in all it’s forms, with modern equipment and without.”
Dont’ be the next idiot.
Answer:
“Alas, that is why everyone is here, they are not idiots. They’re learning from one another.”
Good luck to you all.
Ben
Answer:
“They won’t need luck if they have good information and equipment, they will be prepared.”
“Thank you for your perspective, Ben.”
We highly recommend “Deep Survival” by Laurence Gonzales.
Gonzales book addresses much of Ben’s concerns regarding the mental aspects of choosing “survival” over death.
Celeste & Mark
With regard to Mark’s question It would depend on which bacteria, virus or other caused the Meningitis, so I can’t hazard a guess. Menigitis can be caused by several different groups of Bacteria, also viruses and some yeasts. In some cases a person has the symptoms (meningitis) the Spinal fluid can show a raised number of white cells yet no reason is ever proven The type of white cell is a marker Lymphocytes indicate viral meningitis and Neutrophils indicate bacterial meningitis usually. But as with everything there are exceptions
Gary
Thanks Gary, very interesting information about meningitis.
Celeste my partner, working on a fisheries research project developed a very painful case of Cellulites contracted from polluted water. (We think.) Apparently the bacteria can enter the body through the pores of the skin or a hair follicle, the bacteria does not necessarily have to have a cut or abrasion of the skin to cause an infection.
It was very painful for her and was treated with antibiotics which relieved the pain and symptoms after several days. Are we correct in understanding that Cellulites can become Meningitis if not treated properly? What are your thoughts Gary?
Mark,
In all honesty I’m not certain I tend to deal with the sample end looking for what caused it. I can say for certain only one type of bacteria can penetrate unbroken skin, that is Leptospira which causes Weil’s Disease, You can get infected hair follicles as the bacteria use the oil secretion as food. There is a bacteria which is associated skin infections in people working with fish, meat and in the Vetinary profession This is Erysipelothrix rusiopathiae, (Google Erysipelothrix should give information but do not confuse it with Erysipelas with is a skin condition usually associated with Streptococci) Most are easily treated with antibiotics the important thing with Antibiotics is complete the prescribed course to prevent organisms becoming resistant. Hope this gives you something to look up and answers some questions.
I noticed an earlier posting regarding attaching the Steel Mug to the Type 58 water bottle. You can ram the Steel one over the plastic mug that comes with it then tie them. The handles of the plastic one make it stay in place, but I shall go with a specific pouch and then you can keep a plastic film cannister in with it that contains some water purifying tablets, a few aspirin, advil or ibroprufen painkillers and some Lomotil (diarrhoeal “stop” tablets for use in an emergency) if you can get some.
Gary
Yes thanks Gary, and thanks for the tips.
The Doctor didn’t know which type of bacteria had caused the infection though she did mention several possible Streptococci that are known to infect through water polluted by cattle or the rotting corpses of spawned out salmon, which was the case, both present in the stream that Celeste was surveying at the time of her infection.
Rivers, stream, creeks, and even some springs that are frequented by great numbers of cattle or people we must assume are polluted.
Thousands of people every summer throng to the beautiful Sierra Nevada Mountains of California and with that people being who they are, leave their fecal matter along side the road or trail uncovered where it pollutes the water ways directly or indirectly transferred by wild animals.
Following the rules of outdoor sanitation can make a huge difference in keeping our streams and rivers free of fecal bacteria that makes us sick and spoils our pristine wilderness area’s.
1. Bury your crap! Along with the toilet paper 6″ to 8″ deep in the ground. Let natures decomposing bacteria break down the fecal matter and turn it into soil. Well away from streams, lakes, camp, and trail.
2. Any other toiletry items, double or triple bag, and pack out with you. Please dispose of diapers accordingly.
3. High Alpine area’s above 10,000′ organic matter breaks down very slowly. It can even be hard to find soft soil to bury your crap. In that case make a depression as deep as the soil allows, do your business and cover well with large rocks. At least two hundred feet away from streams or body’s of water. Many popular Alpine destinations here in the states you are required to pack out your crap, the US Park Service or US Forest Service provide bags or you can purchase the necessary bags when you sign for your wilderness permit.
I do have to mention my use of the word “crap” in this comment. I apologize if I have offended anyone, yet I use this adjective to make a point…I’ll be it a smelly one, if you leave your stool where it can become part of your drinking source…well enough said about the C-word. Cheers!
Several species of Strept can cause meninigitis, commonest is Group B which is usually found in neonates the child infected or colonized during birth, Strept pneumoniae which from the name comes from chest infections then to the blood then the CSF and Group A this one is rarer but comes from the group which causes necrotizing fasciolitis the flesh eating bacteria, this is the one that spreads fast they put a marker pen stripe on the infected limb at the red edge then come back in an hour or so to see if its progressed. Usually causes sore throats, infected skin and cellulitis both like all these things they can spread.
I read Ben’s post and in some points he is right and others not so, yes many of us may be couch potatoes wanting to know irrelevant details, but that is true of every recreational pursuit. The point in this is we learn some stuff and take an interest. We go out and look at like and for things rather than accept them. For example Bracket fungi as tinder, take some home burn it eat it, identify the trees, the spoors, etc. In the UK we do not wilderness as you do in the US there is only one square on the hikers scale maps of the entire country devoid of any features. Roads and streams, railwys houses are all within easy hiking distance. Yet still the idiots get lost and die, we get changes in weather in the mountains which can and do kill the unprepared, people climb in bad weather and the rescue services who I admire have to find them. The point of a show like MvW is to entertain and to inform and to show people whats out there, what can happen and how to deal with problems. It may not be your life you could help save someone else and that would be a good day.
Gary
Hi All,
I’ve been reading all the different posts submitted, and found the information great. So much so, I ordered the 58 pattern waterbottle, crusader cup and cooking unit ( with gel fuel sachets), which have just arrived, and i also put through an order in the states for the Sog Seal Pup Elite. (I live in Ireland!). Really looking forward to putting them both throough their paces in a couple of weekends time, however i was wondering if anyone else has, or recently purchased the crusader cup and cooking unit. My issue is that it does not seem to fit together properly as every website, including its manufacters ‘ bcb survival’ states. I wanted to have it all slotted into one another and attached to me with a lanyard (much the same as Bear) for ease of transport. Am i just plain think in the head – DONT answer that – or is there a special technique to attaching the cooker to the mug. Any help would be much appreciated! btw, Great site Mark, very informative, and Bear Rocks!!!
Kieth,
The 58 water bottle pattern has been in service since the 80′s. The British armed forces kept that specific design but it issues the newer 90 pattern pouches or otherwise known as the PLCE way of attaching military gear. It is very similar to the US MOLLE system but based on the NATO way of doing things. In fact i personally use the Crusader system but not because Bear uses it. I looked at the American GI water bottle as well as using Nalgene bottles for what i needed. The fact is the products above are high quality units but for my specic puposes i chose otherwise. You need to choose what works for you not what he choose because itr works for him.
I wish you all the best and remember, it’s not what you know, it’s how you apply it. “Ray Mears”
-mgb_tracker
i havent read the entire thread, but i believe the folding knife shown in this link previously posted:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/29223080@N00/343022004/
that knife looks ALOT like a CRKT folder i bought awhile back. Ryan Seven is what sticks in my head. try google and see what you think. if it is.. its a great knife and one of my favorites. if its not.. i apoligize for the misdirection.
i dont have cable TV, but i was able to catch the jungle episode while on vacation.. loved the show for its entertainment value. it has some knowledge and information in it, and is a hell of alot better way to spend time than watching “Survivor”! if i had cable. id probly watch the show weekly just for the fun of it, and to see how another man does things.
an affordable durable blade that wont set you back a fortune.. check out the CRKT Kasper. great blade for the money.
the RTAK is a great choice for a large fixed blade, chops well and lends itself to regular camp chores. its also affordable.
for those on a better budget… check out Tops Knives… great product and a well deserved reputation.
anything SOG is going to be a great product. the Seal Pup is an awesome knife and well worth the money.
hard to go wrong with the good old KaBar USMC Fighting Utlity. bought mine 15 or so years ago, beat the dog crap out of it, chopped thru 8″ logs with it deep enough to bend/break them, batoned it thru rounds, etc and its held up 100%! if you have the time to research the tests that the originals were subjected to during WW2 i think youd be suitably impressed. i know its the best money i think ive EVER spent on a knife, and its the one knife that if i need to grab and go, it goes with me! some dont like them.. but lets face it.. if they were crap, theyd never have been produced for so long, in such high numbers, and wouldnt still be used today in the day of hightech steels and knives that are designed to withstand incredible abuses that no sane person would subject their knives to. sermon over….
as far as books to start learning with..
id suggest Larry Dean Olsen (never met him but a true been there done that man, based upon what HIS peers say about him).
David Alloway (dearly departed and missed greatly) as far as im concerned was THE BEST Desert Survival Instructor in the USA, he has a book that is WELL thought of and HIGHLY regarded “Desert Survival SKills” and amazon carries it.
Ron Hood (great guy, real friendly and the man that id trust my own family with, his website survival.com) produces some excellent videos, his wife Karen has a nice series called cave Cooking, they also have a forum and is a GREAT place to discuss, learn and share survival knowlege and information…
Buckshot of Buckshots Camp has some very nice videos as well, another man that lives by what he teaches.
the SAS Survival Manual by John Wiseman, if youre aware of the couple inacuracies in it, its about the only “survival manual” ive read that covers things as well as it does… other opinions may vary.
with that said, and based SOLELY UPON MY OPINIONS AND PERSPECTIVES, AS A RESULT OF MY READING AND RESEARCH IN CHOOSING A SOURCE OF KNOWLEDGE, READ THAT AS NO LIBLE OR SLANDER BEING COMMITED, IMPLIED, OR OTHERWISE INTERPRETTED… i cant in good consience recommend Tom Brown Jr. or his books, while i have no first hand dealings with the man, BUUUUTT suffice it to say that there has been MORE than enough controversy and unanswered questions about him, and he does nothing to help himself out. but then again.. he DOES have some GREAT marketing and runs ALOT of people thru his school. Google him and do your research and decide for yourself, thats what I did when it came to determining who was who and where i was going to start my education. granted “Trackers” love him to death, buuuuuuuuuuuutt again if you spend some time with google, and you also pay attention to the quality of students they seem to turn out based upon peoples reports, observations and opinions…. there have been ALOT of VERY happy students, and repeat students that go back to his school for more advanced courses, so there are ALOT of people that love him and RESPECT HIM HIGHLY… im just trying to say do your homework and research on any potential instructor you go with, be it by seeking instruction from a book, a video, or the person themselves. after all… you wouldnt marry the first woman, or man you see when you walk out your front door in the morning, you wouldnt hire a contractor without research or references, and YOU SURELY WOULD NOT PLACE YOUR LIFE OR YOUR LOVED ONES LIVES IN THE HANDS OF AN INSTRUCTOR WITHOUT PLENTY OF RESEARCH AS WELL!!
other instructors…
Christopher Nyrges (probly butchered his last name) runs a school in SoCal that teaches edible plants.
Aboman, aka Joe Bigley, Salmon Outdoor School up in Montana or Idaho. i forget wich.. is VERY HIGHLY THOUGHT OF AND RESPECTED by those “in the know”… do your research on him, i feel he is a VERY good choice of instructor. heres a book he wrote that may be helpful:
http://www.amazon.com/Abomans-Wilderness-Schools-Primitive-Events/dp/0879059524/ref=sr_1_2/002-5947912-5496018?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1179912036&sr=1-2
Landy… im drawing a blank on his last name at the moment.. Windwalker is his handle on the Survival.com forum, was running survival courses out of SC iirc.. a VERY likeable, friendly man, may be worth looking into if your in that area….
and we can NOT forget Randall’s Aventure Training… a VERY HIGHLY regarded Jungle Survival school. they have their own forums and is a grat place to learn and research.
there are ALOT of choices out there for a survival instructor.. some good.. some bad… and some in the middle.. PLEASE take the time and do your research, find an instructor that is RIGHT FOR YOU!! dont take my word for them, or anyone elses. locate a potential instructor, call them up, talk to them on the phone, ask what they teach.. tell them what you hope to learn, and what you expect out of a survival course, find out if their course will fill your needs… ANY instructor worth their salt will be willing to discuss other instructors or schools that may better suit your needs or location. my personal opinion, AVOID instructors that beleive they are the end all be all survival guru’s. also ASK other instructors what they think about a potential instructor youre considering. generally most instructors are willing to discuss each other in a fair and unbiased manner.
ALSO FORUMS ARE A GREAT PLACE TO GAIN FEEDBACK ON POTENTIAL INSTRUCTORS FROM AROUND THE COUNTRY AND OTHERS IN YOUR OWN AREA WHO SHARE AN INTERST IN WILDERNESS SURVIVAL! FORUMS ARE NO SUBSTITUTE FOR PROPER TRAINING THOUGH, AND AS WITH ANYTHING SURVIVAL… PEOPLE CAN AND DO DIE, SOME SURVIVE AND SOME DONT, KNOWLEDGE IS YOUR FRIEND, AND THE MORE YOU HAVE, THE BETTER EQUIPPED YOU ARE!!
hope this is helpful to some, and i apoligize for the length of it.
Respectfully…
lil old me
Keith
see the post I put up on May 10th or get the belt pouch which will take the cooker
Gary
Dear “lil ole me.”
Thank you for your post, and providing advice regarding survival instructors and schools, knives, ect. Very informative for folks who enjoy this thread.
But why the mud slinging?
I have been hearing this baloney for years from the self-proclaimed survival skills crowd, and frankly I’m tired of it. Your recommendations on researching outdoor schools and instructors is the best advice for any consumer. But lame by coming to my post and throwing mud, I’ll be it nice mud, said in a very nice way, its still mud.
One of the largest and most respected outdoor survival schools in the country recently lost a student. He died of dehydration because the instructors failed in their primary responsibility as guides. (It wasn’t the Tracker School by the way) the clients safety comes first, always with me. At Lifesong Adventures we don’t sit around the campfire and bad mouth other schools or instructors, we don’t have the time, were to busy learning and having fun.
Many of the survival forums, ones that you have mentioned in your post, are so filled with cursing and mud slinging that I personally won’t waste my time reading them.
Tom Brown Jr. is a friend of mine. One of the most generous people I know. I studied with Tom for many years because of the philosophy he teaches. It resonated deeply within me, and is the foundation of my inspiration to teach. For me, as with Brown and many others, the skills are doorways to a richer experience in wilderness and every day life.
I do not need to defend Tom Brown Jr, other than to say that first he is a human being with all the same faults and goodness that we all have. Second, he has done more for reviving primitive skills in the last 30 years, than any other school in this country or the world for that matter.
As a guest instructor at his California standard class back in the 90′s, I met a first time student who worked for a major power company in Moss Landing, CA. This amazing young man was so inspired by Toms books to make a positive difference in the world, that he was able to reduce the amount of airborne pollutants from the exhaust stack of the co generation power plant where he worked.. by 50%! This guy was inspired! And made a positive difference that rippled throughout the whole world. You don’t have to like Brown, but don’t sling mud if you don’t have first hand experience with the Man.
Thanks, we do appreciate your prospective.
hi Mark!
i was originally going to reply to the thread/post, but figured that anymore comments by myself would be hijacking your thread from its original intentions, and i dont want to do that. so i figured id email it to you, but the character limit is 650 characters for your email… ive no way to get this to you without posting.. so feel free to edit/remove this after you read it if you like as i do not want to hijack your page, ooooooooooooor leave it if you see fit.
first please allow me to say that im VERY sorry that anything ive said was construed as “mud slinging”. that was not and IS NOT my intentions.
i dont believe i have said anything untrue, i believe i clarified that my opinions were based upon my own research and observations. im sorry that simple conversation is such a sensitive subject. i purposefully left out examples of why i chose to seek my knowledge elsewhere, just so that i would NOT be accused of mud slinging.
i also left his knife alone and didnt express my opinions about it, or his statements that it is the perfect survival knife, i felt that would be mud slinging, irregardless of the opinions and feelings of those i have discussed it with that have used it in survival training, ‘Trackers’ and non “Trackers” alike. everyone has their opinions, and i believe that as long as they are based upon rational thought and research with knowledge built in, its not mud slinging, its simply expressing an opinion.
i stated that Tom Brown Jr. is highly regarded and respected by many, that ALOT of people go thru his courses, and many are repeat students that think highly of him. i fail to see how this is mud slinging. i believe that for an instructor one of the highest respects paid is for people that respect you enough and think highly enough of you to return for more courses, is quite an acheivement. especially considering that i dont consider the price of most survival courses to be a trivial matter. i also believe that some of the highest praise for an instructor is both what their peers say about them, and what they dont say about them.
i also believe that the quality of student an instructor turns out speaks volumes about their schools and courses. there is a whole topic of different examples that can be covered here, but anyone that puts their name or their school behind an image, they are either directly or indirectly responsible for the quality of instructors and instruction that is done. they are also responsible for the quality of student that “graduates” from their course. some people REALLY benifit from that little bit of extra time, or a moment or two of one on one instruction, and it shows in the student at the end of a course.
i fail to see how a persons interest in the well being of the enviroment has anything to do with wilderness survival, im sorry but green living and enviromental concerns, while important, commendable,and admirable, wont keep you alive in the wilds. not unless you go to the extreme of stating that without caring for our enviroment there will eventually be nothing to survive on, wich IS true.. but its quite a leap from the basic survival course.
i too heard about the incident wich you speak of, and youre correct, it was NOT a “Tracker” school that was involved.
to put things into perspective though, the individual that died may not have been physically suited for THAT particular survival course.
this is a good example of what it means to research your courses and your instructors thouroughly. that way both YOU and the INSTRUCTOR are on the same page. if a person requires a course where their hand is held the entire way, and someone is always there to supply them with the basics, then thats the course they need to seek. if a person requires a real life survival course where there IS the risk of dying, then by all means, THAT is the course that they should seek. there is an old saying.. “Train as you fight”. i believe, as sorry as i am to say this, that the individual in question may not have been suited for that course. if im not mistaken i believe there was also mention of his preparing for the course in a manner that was not to the instructors guidelines/advice. in the end we are ALL responsible for our OWN actions. the individual could have taken alittle more time, he could have drank alittle more water, he could have rested and recouperated alittle more. sure the instructors COULD have gave him water, but instead they chose to allow the individual to reach deep down into his core being and drag out that part of him that is neccessary to TRUELY survive when things get going rough and it seems impossible (something iirc was part of the beliefs and teachings of the school in question). I BELIEVE that the individual may simple have just given up, but being that neither of us were there, and neither of us is the individual involved.. its all armchair quarterbacking. id not blame the instructors, in the end the STUDENT has the right and RESPONSIBILITY to say, ENOUGH, UNCLE, call the truck, please go get me some water, im done, keep my money, i quit, this course is NOT for me. everyone has THAT choice in a course. how far they take their training is up to THEM.
i am unsure about what exactly this means:
“I have been hearing this baloney for years from the self-proclaimed survival skills crowd, and frankly I’m tired of it.”
but maybe its something that is better left alone without mucking up your post/thread any further.
Tom Brown Jr.’s school and himself has done ALOT to revive the interest in primitive skills.. that is correct, as i said before, he has GREAT marketing, and he does see ALOT of students ran thru his courses. there is no denying that.. but to say that he has done more than anyone else in MY opinion may be misleading… not to sling mud, but im sure youre familiar with the controversy between him and i believe it was Larry Dean Olsen. so in the end who is responsible for what is pretty moot because each person is going to come to their own conclusions… and THAT is what my point was… DO YOUR RESEARCH AND COME TO YOUR OWN CONCLUSIONS ABOUT WHAT INSTRUCTOR IS RIGHT FOR YOU. pretty easy.. no mud slinging involved. btw with the mentality of people today, Hollywierd has probly done more for the resurgence of primitive skills than anyone else, from Jeremiah Johnson on up to The Hunted,and on to shows like Man vs Wild…. wtc.
the problem with forums is theres invariably mud slinging and $h!t talking, stories, untruths, etc. but its still a good place to get a feel and even the biggest loudmouth can teach someone SOMETHING. as my Dad used to tell me as a child… its better to be thought of as an idiot, than to open your mouth and remove all doubt, but i believe that everyone has something to teach. the biggest benifit of forums besides being a sounding board, is to locate those local to you, network, find friends with simular interests and practice your skills and learn from each other. be it from the same home town, or from the otherside of the world. noooooooooooooow i just hope i havent removed all doubt…
one final thought and ill stop taking up your bandwidth with this and ill return to trying to contribute positively to your post/thread…. while i believe your reply and immediate responce to my previous words with the conclusion of mud slinging was alittle emotionally based, i commend you and respect you greatly for the composure you showed, and your lack of censorship. that speaks highly of yourself and your beliefs. thankyou for that.
Tom Brown Jr. should be happy and proud to have a friend such as yourself, and for what its worth, a man thats willing to stand up for his friends, the world would be a better place if more were like that. my respects again.
Respectfully,
Lil Old Me
Sorry to ask, as it has probably already been covered, but what knife does Bear use in the Costa Rica episode?
Hey Joel,
The answer to your question is here on this thread regarding Bears knife on the Costa Rica episode.
You’ll have to track it out.
Let me know how you do.
Does Bear ever cheat? Get help from the camera crew or anyone else? Food? Shelter? Do they every plant everything like the ropes on the European Alps episode? Thanks
Hi James,
You asked if Bear cheats? I don’t understand this part of your question.
You also asked If he gets help from the film crew, ect. This is a made for TV production where Bear does all of his own stunts for the show. Some very extreme stunts where Bear finds himself quite exposed to the elements along with the camera crew. The production company hires experts, consultants like Celeste and I, that know the plants, animals, environment, and historical survival techniques of an area where they wish to film and we advise.
Does Bear jump in the ice lake in the Alps episode? You bet he does!
Lil ole me-
Just a note on the your comment regarding my statement about Browns influence to the primitive skills community. You must not have been aware that Brown consulted for the movie “The Hunted.” We also look forword to your application to our First Circle Camp this season or next.
Also we want folks to know that we stand firm here with our feelings about our clients safety at Lifesong Adventures. Regardless of the type of course we run, Our Clients Safety Comes First!
We are capable of recognizing for the safety of the client, and to insure a great experience for them as well, the symptoms of dehydration, sun stroke, hypothermia, AMS, depression, or any other life threatening condition. Even the most athletic individual, experienced or otherwise can become sick or disoriented on a bad day.
One of the first things that you learn about people who suffer from any of the above symptoms in real life, they are very often incapable of self-diagnosing what their experiencing. People become very disoriented, confused, cannot think or talk coherently. They rarely if ever ask for help because they do not know what is happening to them.
It is the responsibility of the guide to look for these symptoms especially where the weather, terrain, and other conditions show a likely hood of possible stress to the client.
One other point here. We are not a boot camp, we don’t treat our clients that way. We have found that teaching our clients how to connect and understand the natural world allows them to flow with, not against nature, insuring a positive and powerful experience. So you would not find our students marching in 100 degree heat, with little or no water during the hottest part of the day, thats not survival training! That’s called something else.
To the admin, great site and wonderful thread! I will be looking at your circle camps in the future – we are moving up to Oregon in a couple years, and I think it would be great for my children to learn survival skills for that area prior to our hiking and camping there! Doubt if the desert skills will be as helpful in the coastal region we are looking at (The farm is in Ione, but we are prefer the coast…).
In response to Ben Waller’s great advice – Bring a phone… LOL!!!
Last time we ran the Upper Salt River here in AZ. many of my clients wanted to know if I’d be available on the phone (people panic when the sys admin is going to be gone for a couple days – a week about gives ‘em cardiac arrest!)… Now I know my clients generally don’t get out much, at least not into the areas I tend to go, but the whole idea people have that somehow a phone is going to be a survival tool in the middle of nowhere just makes me laugh. First you have to have a cell tower somewhere close so there is a signal – and if you’re playing in canyon lands, well, that’s still not likely to help you, until you find a way up to a ridge at least. I’ve been to numerous areas were a sat phone would be of questionable help as far as that goes, but our normal “lost in the woods” person is likely to only have their local cell with them, if even that.
Then there is the little issue of battery charge. These suggestions remind me of the lady who brought her hair drier on a Grand Canyon trip. Honest, she brought it out the first morning and wanted to know where she could plug it in. We pointed to a big rock just off the river and told her she could plug it in under it… She started laughing – halfway over to the rock we had pointed out, took her that long to figure out we were joking. She was a much better person, in our humble opinion, by the end of the trip. Or at least she was much more in tune with the wilderness.
But these are the people most likely to get lost in the woods. Any advice they are given that is honest and helpful is a far sight more advantages then implying a phone is going to help them. If they are very lucky, great – but chances are the phone is just going to be extra weight, and one had best hope they have a full charge. Even then they’d be lucky to have a battery left when they got somewhere it could get a signal.
hey,
i got the merrell gore-tex xcr chamellion wraps they are awesome great ankle support and very rugged the rubber is virtually burn proof after steping on a bon-fire good insulation also.
worth the price
thanks,
amak
Thomas LePage,
In the early 70′s I had just spent three months in Arizona, outside globe. I was doing desert solitaire when I met a born again fellow who had 11 children. His wife, an amazing women, was stashing food for her and the children to make their break to a mountain cabin somewhere in Arizona she said was paradise.
When you spoke of the Salt River, I was reminded of the time when exhausted and and overheated early that April, I jumped into that wonderful river…I immediately left all of my breath hanging in the air from the sudden shock to my body that the Salt was a frigging cold $%#@ River!
Just goes to show ya, just because the river is in a Desert, doesen’t mean its always going to be warm.
Thanks for your input. We look forward to meeting you when you make your way out here to Oregon country.
Oh, and we concur; folks please don’t depend on your cell phone to get yourself back home safe and sound.
Thanks for the words of wisdom!
Hey amak,
Celeste loves her pair, though I don’t think she will be testing there insulation in the campfire any time soon. They are worth the price, a remarkable moccasin type fit.
Good to hear from you again.
Mark here,
I Just wanted to mention that we truly appreciate every one’s input here even though we don’t always see eye to eye. Everyone has taken time to comment, help folks, or to ask questions, express themselves about Man Vs Wild, survival knives, gear, a whole host of important threads, and we truly thank you for visiting us and this community.
I also wanted to mention, Celeste and I were out yesterday running a trail for our wildlife survey, when there in the dust, a pug mark of a Cougar made earlier in the day shown like a bright star in the failing daylight. Always a thrill to see; the sort that makes the hair on the back of your neck stand up…not this time, but just the same it made our day.
On the way home tonight on the gravel roads, a Cougar jumped out in front of the jeep, loping down the road for a bit then off into the brush. Perfect day! Oh did I mention the bull Elk we came across sharing the trail as well?
Guys am i way off or is the knife used on the Hawaii – Mount Kilauea episode an Emerson Commander . Thanks
ya not to smart to step in a fire but hawaii was fun
thanks,
amak
wow u are way off that isnt even close to the knife :{0
amak
Okay smarty amak,
what knife was it?;)
I’m interested in the knife he used on a recent show where he was cutting up a Zebra carcass and cutting off pieces of meat. The knife was a large folder with a recurve blade, framelock, I think. Anyone recognize it? Thanks!
Do you know if there are any camps like the show where they teach you some stuff and then just throw you out in the wild to survive on your own? Thanks.
Hi Alex,
Yes we do! We have a camp exactly what you are looking for. Its called “The Edge”. Please read about it here http://www.sogknives.com/wordpress/
This link will take you to the SOG website, where you will scroll down to see a blurb about “The Edge.”
Also Alex, read this description about the Edge Camp program – http://www.lifesongadventures.com/newsletter/?p=55#comments This will give you more of an idea of what this course is about. Another point here about our extreme courses. We don’t do boot camps, this includes “The Edge as well”. Its intense, tough, difficult, but we are with you all the way. We measure success within our own ability, not by competition.
You must be 18 years of age to attend this course. We don’t have it listed in our regular curriculum yet, but if your interested in learning more drop me an email here – http://www.lifesongadventures.com/contact.htm
We will offer this course when we have 6 serious folks registered.
Great question!
is there any survival courses in N Ireland thanks
sorry if this has already been posted but in his book and on his website he states that the knives he used were not right for him and the best was a bayley knife found at http://www.bayleyknife.com
it seems that everyone is very interested in the equipment bear uses. i dont understand why someone with the right access cant just ask him. i know he is a busy person and is probably tired of people harrassing him but a quick post on this site would make alot of people happy and save alot of time for everyone.
Hi thorn,
You might try asking this question of Bear here at the Discovery, Man Vs Wild website.
http://dsc.discovery.com/fansites/manvswild/bio/bio.html
Sam, you might want to ask you’re question here as well.
Thanks.
Mark
I’ve been reading this site and many others as I have been trying to find a good affordable folding knife for wilderness/survival purposes, from what I’ve seen on here and other places, I’ve narrowed my choices down to just a few. I was wondering if anyone could help steer me in the right direction, give me some opinions of the few I’m deciding between, or perhaps suggest any others that I haven’t even considered.
I’m basically deciding between:
https://www.aeromedix.com/product-exec/product_id/1087/nm/Doug_Ritter_RSK_MK1_SB_Knife_br_w_Black_Coated_Combo_Edge_Blade#productINFO
http://www.buckknives.com/catalog/detail/508/233
https://www.kabar.com/product_detail.jsp?productNumber=4067&mode=search&categoryId=1,2,3,7,9&categoryName=Product%20Search%20Results
http://www.gerbergear.com/product.php?model=1413
http://www.gerbergear.com/product.php?model=6065
also I’m wondering if a clip point or a drop point knife would be best, and also how concerned should I be about the thickness of each knife in question as some of them don’t even list the thickness
thanks
Bryan K
Hi Bryan K,
I hope you get some insight from folks who have used the knives you have listed, or know some about them to help you with your decision.
Not to confuse you further… but I will. Check out the SOG Trident folder – http://sogknives.com/store/TF-1.html
and their other folding knives here – http://www.sogknives.com/store/fold.html
I have to say I am biased some with SOG knives, I have found them to be a excellent choice for a variety of tough field applications.
hi yes im a outdoors boy and i would like to know if any of u know any good survival summer camps wiht man vs wild and survivor man i think its really neat and would like to go to a camp for a mouth or two over the summer.
ty conner
Hi Conner,
I don’t know of any camps that Man Vs Wild or Survival Man are instructing themselves. But take heart, when your a bit older our programs, while not taught by the two gentlemen you speak of, would serve you just as well.
Thanks for your question Conner.
Hi Mark,
What is the difference (and advantages/disadvantages) between a clip point knife and a drop point knife?
Thanks
Throwing my hat in the ring for an attempt at the Bear knife:
The Cressi-Sub Norge Knife?
Hi Casey,
the knife Bear is holding here is a Drop Point.
http://www.bayleyknife.com/
This SOG NW Ranger looks to be some where in between.
http://sogknives.com/store/S24.html
This is a classic Clip Point – http://sogknives.com/store/S1T.html
and this Flash II is a classic Drop Point tip -http://sogknives.com/store/FSA-8.html
Both points are classic, and its really a personal preference. Most military combat knives are clip point. I have used a clip point on my SOG Bowie for years, broke the tip 4-5 times, I just sharpen it back. The drop points have a bit more steel in the tip which is good for wilderness applications of a working knife But the clip point is great as well. For a straight survival knife tip I may be leaning towords a drop point.
Thanks for dropping by glyphdoc.
The Cressi-Sub Norge…not it.
Does anyone know what top he wears? it looks pretty light and comfrotable. It must be good as he wears it in every episode… anyine know of any similar tops?
Hi Niko,
In the Sierra Nevada episode Bear wears a cotton “Haines” long sleeve T-shirt.
In the Desert Island episode he wears whats called a Safari shirt. Nothing high tech about bears shirts, just comfortable cotton. Which of course is the worse material you can wear in a survival situation. When wet, cotton allows no dead air space for insulation between your skin and the shirt.
Hence the material chills the body. Think about blue jeans and how they feel when wet on a cold day.
hey bryan,
the gator 2 i prefer over the gator for durability and feel (your preferance) and the kabar is a good company even tho i havent used that model the first on i’ve never heard of bet looks good. you should handle them before taking preferance also look at case knives they are very durable, sharp, and comfortable but im not sure if they have a survival type knife.
hope i gave a little help,
amak
i came across a great book even tho im only 13 the dangerous book for boys is great at teaching u how to do/ make “stuff”
thanks,
amak
you make a great point amak, I’m extremely hesitant to buy one without handling first because so much of knife preference is feel
That Bear Grylls Bayley knife is 350 british pounds, thats almost $700 US dollars!!!!
The Everglades. I thought he’d use the Bayley, but this one looks like it has a gut hook.
Yeh, the Evergaldes episode was over here in England, about 2 months ago, it was part of season 1 for us, so was the Mexico, Copper Canyon episode, maybe he’ll use the Bayley knife in the other episodes, like good ol’ Scotland and Iceland
What watch is Bear wearing in the everglades episode ?
What watch is Bear wearing and what type of knife does he carry with him in all episodes??
Thanx
i just went and watched the everglades episode on TIVO and then checked out the knives that have been provided. in the everglades Bear uses the Buck Zipper Knife
In the everglades episode I am fairly sure he uses a different boot than in the other episodes, does anyone know what kind it is? Also, in the one where he is placed into shoot, I forget where it was, but it was in a desert somewhere with canyons and he had to go into one to find water and it had a dead squirrel in it but what kind of shoe was he wearing then when he climbed up the canyon wall?
The everglades episode was awesome! The Discovery channel had a fathers day marathon of Man vs Wild on all day yesterday and I watched some of it. He is deff using a diff knife in each episode. He brings a knife that will work best for the enviroment he is going into. I.E. the gut hook in everglades with the gators or other animals with tough skin he might have to gut. Swiss army knife in the alps episode. Non folding black handled partially serrated in the jungle. Folding knife in Africa I beleive. I am leaning toward the Gerber LMF II for my knife of choice.
Does anyone know what kind of pants Bear is wearing in the everglades episode? Thanks for your help.
Bear has made his own “perfect” survival knife, it looks like an SAS knife and has no serrated edge. You can look at it @ bayleyknife.com. Me personally, i love the kabar short fighter combo. excellent knife and cheap. If it lasts for marines, it will definately last for you.
Wow! I’d just like to comment on this great thread. I read the whole thing today; it took me almost 3 hours! (not combined; i’d go blind!) Anyway, this has taught me so much about survival, and has led me to some great other sites. I am planning on attending a camp next season up in Shasta (I reside in The Bay Area). Again, thank you so much for all of the info. I’m an avid Bear Grylls/Man Vs. Wild fan.
Thanks again,
Paul N.
And by the way, thanks for the tips regarding the SOG seal pup. I’m ordering one tomorrow!
I have been watching this forum for a while and I want to thank you guys for your hard work and input on the clothing and materials that Bear uses. I have been trying to figure out what kind of long sleeve shirt he wears. Its grey and he wears it quite a bit especially in the new episodes. Anyone have any ideas?
i’m not sure about what kind of shirt it is but this website http://www.abc-of-mountaneering.com has and excellent selection of long sleeve shirts with upf protection against uv rays which i’m pretty sure he uses, may not be the same brand but these shirts are medium priced, not gonna hurt your wallet.
http://beargrylls.itchyfeet.com/index.php
Here is the link from Bear’s website to some gear he uses.
Nice link for the gear, good find. This is my first post on here after discovering this site a few days ago, and i’m glad to see there are so many people out there who enjoy Man vs Wild as much as I do. Bear is a great person and very inspiring if you read his books like I have. To spend a couple days backpacking with him and squeezing as much survival knowledge out of him as you could in a short few days to me would be like winning the lottery, it would be a great experience. I believe at the start of the first season wasn’t there a contest to get to meet Bear or something like that? Well its good to see there are so many fans out there, lets hope the show continues for quite a few seasons!
Nice one, mate
>>Nick said: What watch is Bear wearing in the everglades episode ?
I think I read on his Web site (http://www.beargrylls.com/) he’s been field testing watches for a UK watch company just out of the gate, Bremont. The pic on the Web site of him with the watch looked like it was from the Everglades show.
Also, I’ve been “hunting” for a survival knife of my own. After reading Equipped.com and this thread, I thought I’d let you guys know I’m looking at the Benchmade 10505 (AKA Pardue Rant DPT). It actually looks a lot like Bear’s Bayley knife, but it’s only USD60. It has everything I think I need, shiny surface, smooth blade, gritty handle, full tang. Made of 440C stainless steel, too.
Thought you all might want to know. I know it’s only a “red class” Benchmade (less $ and quality than some), but for what I want to use it, it looks perfect.
Not that anyone’s active on this thread anymore, but I thought I’d share. I don’t think I’m going to get the Rant DPT. Not reallya full tang, and for $30 more, I can find a Benchmade 151 (fixed Griptilian), which is basically a less expenvise Doug Ritter (equipped.com) knife. Not as thick, and not as high-grade carbon steel, but very comparable. And much more solidly made than the Rant.
I’ll probably be using the blade for everything from making kindling to dinner. But it looks to be a good balance for me. Plus it has a lanyard hole, and the sheath is lefty-friendly.
P.S. in the episode of MvW that just aired (Iceland), I think Bear was using that Gerber Gator folding knife again :-p
Mark r- left this comment below regarding his experience with Bench made knives. I pasted this comment here, because there are quite a few comments regarding Benchmade knives on this thread.
Mark r says: “I’ve found a heavy durable knife such as an original ka-bar to be most helpful with trees and brush for shelter, yet can be made sharp enough out of the box to slice fresh meat,……BUT I HAVE BEEN THOROUGHLY DISAPPOINTED WITH BENCHMADE KNIVES, they break like twigs under any kind of real pressure,..my advice “buy a big strong knife for big strong work”
Mark Wienert says: I am curious about the type of “pressure” Mark r- applied with his Bench made that would made it break. I agree with Mark r- that you need a well made strong knife for tough work. Anything less will let you down. Check out -www.sogknives.com for a strong knife that you can depend on!
I have a SOG Flash II folder that is awesome! Its a sturdy folder with a drop point, lots of steel for a small knife and rugged durability for a folding knife. The locks are very strong, safe in the pocket, and efficient. Also I really like the quick release action of the blade when I need it out fast. SOG makes a variety of very well put together folders. Check them out here – http://sogknives.com/store/flash2.html
Also I have been trying out SOGS Seal Pup fixed blade – http://sogknives.com/store/sealpup.html
The Seal Pup is light in weight for a tough knife. My students at camp this week have been using the Seal Pup and are very impressed with this knife. Its light enough to easily take back packing with you, and tough enough to perform any job you ask of it in the bush. Several of my students of expressed their desire in purchasing this knife for their own. We highly recommend the Seal Pup.
We also have just began to try out SOG’s Hunter Revolver – http://sogknives.com/store/HREV-7.html
This combination knife, gut hook, wood/bone saw is made especially for the hunter. We have been running the Revolver through our famous “Lifesong Knife Trials” and will give you our opinion on this interesting combination knife soon.
Celeste really like this type of combination in a working knife. As a hunting guide in Wyoming, Celeste learned to appreciate the gut hook, and folding saws are a tool that she uses almost daily in her Wildlife Research work. So she will be doing her own Field Test on the Hunter Revolver, I’m especially looking forward to hear what she has to say about it.
All of the knives we test are run through our “Field Trials’, where the knife being tested is used in everyday wilderness survival type applications. We look for: strength, durability, comfort, simplicity, blister factor, and usability factors. We also consider sharpness, cutting ability, and edge longevity. We see how well the knife performs for its job, and give the knife plenty of opportunity to prove itself out.
hey i have a gerber compact sport, and am very happy with it. but i hav’nt really taken it out and done any major cutting with it (only a 2.4 inch blade) but does Bear recomend a multitool like that? (with the assortment of tools)
I have one of these pelican cases like Jason Meredith, I really like it. If you’re looking for a good personal survival kit case you should look towards these. Different sizes are available, I own the 1030.
http://www.rei.com/product/723939
i cannot decide if i want the seal pup elite or the gerber LMF II. sogs are great blades, but the lmf II looks like it would be better for hammering and chopping wood since it is heavier and also looks bigger and wider than the seal pup elite. i would like to get all dimensions of both knives, thickness, width, etc. ive heard the lmf II is great for chopping, how is the seal pup elite for chopping? also the seal pup elite doesn’t look like the bottom of it would be very good for use as a hammer. also which blades are made with the best metal? ive looked up on wikipedia HRC 58 which is supposed to be a very good strong hard metal, which the gerber lmf II is made of. the seal pup elite is AUS 8, which i think is about the same as HRC 58. im not sure, so if anyone knows any more than i do please let me know. if i were to go with the sog, i would like to get the silver color blade, but the seal pup elite’s silver blade is not serrated. the seal pup has a silver serrated blade, but im afraid of buying it as it is not as strong as the seal pup elite. im pretty confused on which knife to purchase. any help greatly appreciated.
Hey Josh48315,
Mark Wienert here. The Gerber LMF II is twice as heavy as the SOG Seal Pup Elite. If your willing to trade extra weight for chopping then the Gerber is a good bet. The Gerber is also a bit more of a tactical knife for specific applications. If your involved in emergency or military services where serrated blades can be of great help in cutting heavy nylon strapping like seat belts, then serrated blades are a must. The hard point on the end of the Gerber handle is for breaking helicopter windshields in case of emergency escape measures. Good luck on your decision.
here are the links to the metal hardness where i got my info from:
HRC: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rockwell_scale
AUS compared to HRC and other blade steel facts: http://www.crkt.com/steelfct.html
so according the wikipedia site, an HRC between 55-62 is good, and it looks as if AUS 8 has an HRC of 56-58. so according to this, i think the lmf II and seal pup elite are about the same.
After reading this long, fabulous thread, I just wanted to suggest another online resource to shop for knives and survival gear- One Stop Knife Shop. They carry a bunch of the SOG, Columbia River, Fallkniven, and Gerber knives (and others) as mentioned throughout this thread, and all KINDS of firestarters.
The items are already heavily discounted and they match prices on anything in stock at another online retailer. The guy who owns OSKS also runs Bladeforums.com so he knows his stuff and will sit on the phone with you for half an hour if he has to to help you figure out what you need. You know, not that I’ve ever had to do that to him.
Check ‘em out: http://www.onestopknifeshop.com
I am looking to purchase the Tom Brown Tracker. I have wanted the thing for a long time, but it is so expensive. I would like to know from somebody that has used it if it it truly as good as they say it is and if it’s worth that price. Also I would like to share with everybody a knife that i have stumbled upon called a katz hunters tool knife made by katz knives. you can see it here at http://www.katzknives.com. This knife is expensive but has all the qualities that a person should ask out of a survival knife. thanks
Hey everyone,
I have been silently reading this thread for a long time and I have found it to be quite informative. I have been searching for a good knife for a while and I just took Mark’s advice and ordered an SOG Seal Pup from http://www.lapolicegear.com/sogsepupknwi.html. The price for the seal pup on Lapolicegear.com is half the price than